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Old 03-08-2015, 10:40 AM
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Clifton corridor should be the priority. Would vastly improve MARTA's biggest weakness, the extremely limited route network. The Clifton corridor extension would finally move MARTA away from the current weak "+ sign" configuration and would connect various important employment centers which currently have no transit option as well as bringing a new line from Lindbergh to Avondale allowing for more efficient connections vs running everything through Five Points.

Adding CDC, Emory, Emory Hospital, and Dekalb medical to the route network would provide a huge boost to the overall network and would help reduce congestion in that part of Dekalb.

The 400 extension while important, merely extends the existing limited network further north. This needs to be done as there are tons of jobs and residents up there but Clifton should be the priority.

The I-20 extension is similar to 400 in that it is just stretching the network but in this case it is going into a much less economically vibrant area than the 400 extension. This is and should be the lowest priority expansion.
In addition to connecting the employment in the Clifton area, it could help keep CDC jobs in Atlanta. They already have a satellite site on Buford Highway. We wouldn't want them to move a significant number of those jobs elsewhere at some point in the future because they had poor access to their main site here.
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Old 03-08-2015, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Atlanta - Midtown
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Clifton corridor
Red line extension
I-20 east line
This.
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Old 03-08-2015, 08:23 PM
 
Location: In your feelings
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I think they're all important and they're all needed. But if you had to pick one to get done first, what would it be?
All three, simultaneously. Time to get serious about transportation.
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Old 03-08-2015, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Metro Atlanta & Savannah, GA - Corpus Christi, TX
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Clifton corridor should be the priority. Would vastly improve MARTA's biggest weakness, the extremely limited route network. The Clifton corridor extension would finally move MARTA away from the current weak "+ sign" configuration and would connect various important employment centers which currently have no transit option as well as bringing a new line from Lindbergh to Avondale allowing for more efficient connections vs running everything through Five Points.

Adding CDC, Emory, Emory Hospital, and Dekalb medical to the route network would provide a huge boost to the overall network and would help reduce congestion in that part of Dekalb.

The 400 extension while important, merely extends the existing limited network further north. This needs to be done as there are tons of jobs and residents up there but Clifton should be the priority.

The I-20 extension is similar to 400 in that it is just stretching the network but in this case it is going into a much less economically vibrant area than the 400 extension. This is and should be the lowest priority expansion.
This is a great argument for your order.

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That would require amending the MARTA Act (unless the CoA annexed the CID), and I don't think MARTA would be for building a 10-mile rail extension just to have one stop in Cobb County.
Which would be easier? Changing an amendment or Atlanta annexing the area? Probably the first.

As for building a 10 mile rail extension just to have one stop.. I don't look at it as that. I see it as the beginning of an eventual expansion into Cobb. Cobb WILL have MARTA at some point in the future. They're just delaying the inevitible.
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Old 03-08-2015, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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It probably wouldn't be a 1-stop line either. You'd easily have stops at Cumberland, South Cumberland, West Paces Ferry, and Howell Mill. The incremental cost to build a station is tiny compared to the overall line. All but the first two (last two?) would be in Fulton County and possibly even worthwhile on their own.
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Old 03-09-2015, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Clifton corridor should be the priority. Would vastly improve MARTA's biggest weakness, the extremely limited route network. The Clifton corridor extension would finally move MARTA away from the current weak "+ sign" configuration and would connect various important employment centers which currently have no transit option as well as bringing a new line from Lindbergh to Avondale allowing for more efficient connections vs running everything through Five Points.

Adding CDC, Emory, Emory Hospital, and Dekalb medical to the route network would provide a huge boost to the overall network and would help reduce congestion in that part of Dekalb.

The 400 extension while important, merely extends the existing limited network further north. This needs to be done as there are tons of jobs and residents up there but Clifton should be the priority.

The I-20 extension is similar to 400 in that it is just stretching the network but in this case it is going into a much less economically vibrant area than the 400 extension. This is and should be the lowest priority expansion.
Bingo, adding the Clifton corridor would give commuters another option than transferring at five points. It adds rail density to the system, instead of stretching out the existing lines and serving the suburbs more. The corridor is a huge employment center and is only growing. Maybe the feds would be more willing to fund it because of the number of offices and employees.
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Old 03-10-2015, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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The only way this makes sense if they build the stations in a way that completely integrates HRT and LRT, so transferring is just a matter of going up or down some stairs. If you have to completely leave the station and go somewhere else, that's just dumb. It's making the user experience of riding transit worse, affecting the city for generations, to assuage the concerns of people who might just sell their house next month.
Exactly. And what gets me is that this is a part of town where people who claim to love environmentalism, and mass transit, and organicky, etc. live. Yet when such a system comes right to them, they oppose it!

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MARTA is a little louder and a little uglier than Light Rail. But they already have a freight railroad there, so I don't really understand it.
IKR?? I guess freight train noise, which is louder, won't bother them, but HRT noise would!
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Old 03-11-2015, 12:21 PM
 
Location: City of Trees
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I-20 East: they've been waiting forever. And it better be heavy rail, not a damn bus.
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Old 03-11-2015, 02:08 PM
 
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I-20 East: they've been waiting forever. And it better be heavy rail, not a damn bus.
Exactly. I dont know why so many people think this area should be the least important of the 3. There are over 100,000+ people in the Stone Mtn, Lithonia, Decatur area and many actually would use the a new rail line that goes to Panola and Stonecrest to get around. While GA 400 badly needs some rail up to Winward, there are many with the it will bring crime and urban folks mentality that are strongly against it and still would sit in there car for 45 mins to go 10 miles on GA400 than ride the train. If rail does go up 400, your still 1-2 miles away from your job, so unless that area starts running more marta bus routes or office shuttles, people wont use the train.

I work in Alpharetta and I hear people say all the time they fear for their life to ride MARTA. Seriously, people fear riding the Red Line train! Maybe they think all of MARTA is like outside of 5 Pts and Garnett station.

But for it to be truly beneficial, they would need to construct the Redline and I20 extension at the same time to make it truley beneficial foir the extra riders east having easier access to jobs on the north. I dont see anyone on the northside thinking, I can now take the train to StoneCrest Mall.
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Old 03-11-2015, 06:33 PM
 
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Exactly. I dont know why so many people think this area should be the least important of the 3. There are over 100,000+ people in the Stone Mtn, Lithonia, Decatur area and many actually would use the a new rail line that goes to Panola and Stonecrest to get around. While GA 400 badly needs some rail up to Winward, there are many with the it will bring crime and urban folks mentality that are strongly against it and still would sit in there car for 45 mins to go 10 miles on GA400 than ride the train. If rail does go up 400, your still 1-2 miles away from your job, so unless that area starts running more marta bus routes or office shuttles, people wont use the train.

I work in Alpharetta and I hear people say all the time they fear for their life to ride MARTA. Seriously, people fear riding the Red Line train! Maybe they think all of MARTA is like outside of 5 Pts and Garnett station.

But for it to be truly beneficial, they would need to construct the Redline and I20 extension at the same time to make it truley beneficial foir the extra riders east having easier access to jobs on the north. I dont see anyone on the northside thinking, I can now take the train to StoneCrest Mall.
The residents of Alpharetta are overwhelmingly in support of heavy rail extension up that way; MARTA hasn't gotten any pushback from people with those sorts of concerns from anything I've heard.
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