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Old 03-11-2015, 09:09 PM
 
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To understand the scale of investment by the state, imagine the city of Atlanta without COP, the state office buildings, and the upscale streetscapes we see in on Marietta and Allen downtown, or 5th and 14th in Midtown, or Peachtree in the Lenox area.

Imagine MARTA without sales tax revenue, eminent domain or bonding capacity.

Imagine downtown without the massive expansion of Georgia State or Midtown without the huge clout of Georgia Tech.

Take away the World Congress Center and the hotel tax.

etc., etc., etc.

None of that was obligatory.
Centennial Park was funded ENTIRELY by private donations and was built as a showcase for the Olympics. How does the state get credit for this?
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Old 03-12-2015, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, Birmingham, Charlotte, and Raleigh
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The state created MARTA and gave it many major sources of revenue, not the least of which is the right to levy a tax on every dollar spent in DeKalb and Fulton counties, regardless of whether you live there or not. That taps revenue from folks all over the state and even out of state. This generates several hundred million dollars a year for MARTA.

In addition, the state gave MARTA the power of eminent domain, which it has used to acquire many extremely valuable properties. The state also gave MARTA the power to issue bonds, to collect advertising revenue, and to apply for and receive federal transportation funds. These also add enormous revenue sources for MARTA.

The state has also spent gazillions of dollars upgrading major thoroughfares and bridges in the city of Atlanta and turning them into complete streets. These things would never be accomplished without the money and leadership for planning, right of way and construction from the state of Georgia.

And you can't discount the massive economic impact of things like major state office buildings, thousands of state employees, COP, Georgia Tech and GSU and countless other state investments in the city of Atlanta.

Now, if you want taxpayers who live elsewhere in Georgia to start writing additional checks to the city, I would recommend that you take it up with them directly. Remember, state elected officials and state employees have to answer to all Georgians, not just the 4% who live in the city of Atlanta.
All that, yet MARTA still doesn't have a dedicated state funding source. Nice try, but I just summed up all of the other stuff up in 2 simple sentences. Georgia antagonizes Atlanta...
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Old 03-12-2015, 09:59 AM
 
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Centennial Park was funded ENTIRELY by private donations and was built as a showcase for the Olympics. How does the state get credit for this?
Good point. The state didn't even play a major role in Atlanta getting the Olympics; it was primarily a local effort, spearheaded by local business and civic leaders.
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Old 03-13-2015, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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Except the vast majority of it is. The universities would get funded and be expanded even if they weren't in Atlanta because they are public. GA Tech in particular benefits from being in Atlanta, but local leaders in Atlanta fought (and bribed) to get it. GWCC as mentioned before is probably an exception. MARTA with sales tax revenue means it's one of the priciest systems in the country because it doesn't get dedicated state funding; see the link I posted. State office buildings would go in any city that was the capital. "Upscale" streetscapes are nice, but nothing really special; basic street upgrades would still get the job done.
You are missing the point entirely. Of course these would go somewhere else. But they all went to Atlanta and Atlanta has benefited from these institutions being in the city. So what if other major cities are not their respective state capitals. Atlanta is the state capital and the central city is home to two extremely fine universities that bring so much more to the fabric of the city than the institutions themselves.

Or look at it this way: What would downtown Atlanta be like without the state capital and surrounding state government buildings, the Georgia State complex and the GWCC? Atlanta has had the unfounded misfortune of being compared to Detroit from time to time, but without just these three institutions, you have Downtown Detroit. A shiny cylindrical John Portman Hotel and some other towers and not much else.
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Old 03-13-2015, 06:23 AM
 
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You are missing the point entirely. Of course these would go somewhere else. But they all went to Atlanta and Atlanta has benefited from these institutions being in the city. So what if other major cities are not their respective state capitals. Atlanta is the state capital and the central city is home to two extremely fine universities that bring so much more to the fabric of the city than the institutions themselves.

Or look at it this way: What would downtown Atlanta be like without the state capital and surrounding state government buildings, the Georgia State complex and the GWCC? Atlanta has had the unfounded misfortune of being compared to Detroit from time to time, but without just these three institutions, you have Downtown Detroit. A shiny cylindrical John Portman Hotel and some other towers and not much else.

You would have a ton of Corporate headquarters. Atlanta isn't Atlanta because the state made it so. Atlanta is Atlanta because of its location as a transportation hub.
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Old 03-13-2015, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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You are missing the point entirely. Of course these would go somewhere else. But they all went to Atlanta and Atlanta has benefited from these institutions being in the city. So what if other major cities are not their respective state capitals. Atlanta is the state capital and the central city is home to two extremely fine universities that bring so much more to the fabric of the city than the institutions themselves.

Or look at it this way: What would downtown Atlanta be like without the state capital and surrounding state government buildings, the Georgia State complex and the GWCC? Atlanta has had the unfounded misfortune of being compared to Detroit from time to time, but without just these three institutions, you have Downtown Detroit. A shiny cylindrical John Portman Hotel and some other towers and not much else.
The state capital complex adds nothing but closed off fortresses and no pedestrian activity to downtown streets.
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Old 03-13-2015, 09:06 AM
 
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You are missing the point entirely. Of course these would go somewhere else. But they all went to Atlanta and Atlanta has benefited from these institutions being in the city. So what if other major cities are not their respective state capitals. Atlanta is the state capital and the central city is home to two extremely fine universities that bring so much more to the fabric of the city than the institutions themselves.
I'm not missing the point at all; the fact of the matter is that all of that would automatically go wherever the state capital was. It wasn't something given to Atlanta in an effort to boost its status or set it apart from its peers, and that's the difference. It's all obligatory and par for the course, and there are other cities that are state capitals with large universities in or near downtown (Tallahasse, Baton Rouge, Madison, Columbia, Raleigh, Richmond, Nashville, etc.) so obviously that's not the big game changer as you're implying.

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Or look at it this way: What would downtown Atlanta be like without the state capital and surrounding state government buildings, the Georgia State complex and the GWCC? Atlanta has had the unfounded misfortune of being compared to Detroit from time to time, but without just these three institutions, you have Downtown Detroit. A shiny cylindrical John Portman Hotel and some other towers and not much else.
GWCC is an exception as I noted, but the state capital complex is essentially an area unto itself that's dead outside of working hours and whenever the legislature isn't in session. Plus it's not like downtown is where all the action is in Atlanta anyway, so it's kind of a moot point.
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Old 03-13-2015, 09:26 AM
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without just these three institutions, you have Downtown Detroit. A shiny cylindrical John Portman Hotel and some other towers and not much else.
You're exaggerating. GSU has done great things for Downtown, but the State offices are a drag on the area. No better than a storefront church that stays shuttered 6.75 days of the week, wasting valuable space.

Aquarium
World of Coke
Civil Rights Museum
College Football Hall of Fame
Centennial Park
The Tabernacle
Rialto Theater
Theatrical Outfit
Lots of federal government buildings
Dragon Con
Georgia Dome
Philips Arena
CNN Center
Five MARTA stops
Numerous convention hotels
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