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Old 03-10-2015, 08:49 PM
 
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I wouldn't call O4W "affluent" yet, but $17 million is steep for even the richest neighborhoods, isn't it?

Welcome to the world of municipal buildings. I don't know who's to blame - the elected officials, or the contractors, or added restriction for Grovernment buildings, but pricing for municipal structures is crazy inflated.

But to put it in context, a 40,000 sq ft City Hall will run you about 12Million. So 17.5 for a rec center with a pool, intown is about right. Even factoring in that they will need to knock it down and rebuild it I guess?

Fulton County Library system is spending 167M for the 10 projects they have going on right now - that works out to roughly 16M per library.
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Old 03-10-2015, 09:24 PM
 
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Yep, the old building is structurally unsound and would be more expensive to repair than replace. I'm voting for the whole thing. Yes, $17.5m for a natatorium seems excessive on its face. But this is a neighborhood that is not, by any stretch of the imagination, fully gentrified or well-heeled. It is certainly a transitional neighborhood, but I'd certainly bet money that there are more poor kids living on O4W than rich ones -- its new, wealthy residents also tend to have fewer children. As badly as I want to see sidewalks built in my neighborhood, for the kids who walk in the street past my house all day (I repaired my sidewalks when my house was built, my neighbors did not) -- I also want them to have somewhere worthwhile to walk to.
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Everybody loves a swiming pool but this is not your daddy's Old Fourth Ward. It is now an extremely affluent neighborhood with houses that can easily set you back half a million dollars. It is loaded with upscale restaurants and has had zillions in public money poured into it via the Beltline and similar mega projects.

It's time for the O4W to step up and create a conservancy like other well-heeled neighborhoods around the city have done.

Let the millennials roar!

Repairing the pool could relieve the overcrowding at the splash pad in historic fourth Ward park.
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Old 03-11-2015, 08:09 AM
 
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Repairing the pool could relieve the overcrowding at the splash pad in historic fourth Ward park.
That is quite an expensive fix. Splash pads are only $10k-$300k. You could build an entire new park for the price of this pool.
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Old 03-11-2015, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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That is quite an expensive fix. Splash pads are only $10k-$300k. You could build an entire new park for the price of this pool.
The splash pad in Kirkwood has been quoted at $600K. $17.5M for a single, indoor pool is steep.
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Old 03-11-2015, 08:32 AM
 
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I wouldn't call O4W "affluent" yet, but $17 million is steep for even the richest neighborhoods, isn't it?
When the community is paying, prices tend to come way down.

When the government is paying for something using taxpayer money, prices tend to do through the roof.

Other city pools such as Chastain, Piedmont, Garden Hills and Candler park are financially supported by the local community.

It's crazy to spend $17.5 million in taxpayer dollars on a swimming pool in a neighborhood of half million dollar homes. We are stretched razor thin on infrastructure money and we will be lucky if we get enough to repave a few of our major streets.

Don't forget that fleet replacement is coming up next. That is around $100 million -- it was taken out of this bond issue but all the vehicles will be getting older and older. We're getting close to tapping out our bond capacity, which has lots of unpleasant ramifications.
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Old 03-11-2015, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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Welcome to the world of municipal buildings. I don't know who's to blame - the elected officials, or the contractors, or added restriction for Grovernment buildings, but pricing for municipal structures is crazy inflated.

But to put it in context, a 40,000 sq ft City Hall will run you about 12Million. So 17.5 for a rec center with a pool, intown is about right. Even factoring in that they will need to knock it down and rebuild it I guess?

Fulton County Library system is spending 167M for the 10 projects they have going on right now - that works out to roughly 16M per library.
I'm not confused about WHY it costs that much, I'm just trying to figure out if he seriously thinks a NEIGHBORHOOD would be able to pay that even if the cost comes down.
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Old 03-11-2015, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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When the community is paying, prices tend to come way down.

When the government is paying for something using taxpayer money, prices tend to do through the roof.

Other city pools such as Chastain, Piedmont, Garden Hills and Candler park are financially supported by the local community.

It's crazy to spend $17.5 million in taxpayer dollars on a swimming pool in a neighborhood of half million dollar homes. We are stretched razor thin on infrastructure money and we will be lucky if we get enough to repave a few of our major streets.

Don't forget that fleet replacement is coming up next. That is around $100 million -- it was taken out of this bond issue but all the vehicles will be getting older and older. We're getting close to tapping out our bond capacity, which has lots of unpleasant ramifications.
$500M homes and the largest concentration of section 8 housing in the state. O4W is a large neighborhood.
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Old 03-11-2015, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, Birmingham, Charlotte, and Raleigh
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I'm not confused about WHY it costs that much, I'm just trying to figure out if he seriously thinks a NEIGHBORHOOD would be able to pay that even if the cost comes down.
You know some people will say anything hoping it will mean something...
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Old 11-12-2015, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Official updated Renew Atlanta Bond website. Complete list of projects.
http://renewatlantabond.com/
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