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Old 11-27-2016, 05:25 PM
 
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Straight from archibongs own website.

http://citycouncil.atlantaga.gov/Mem...afficFinal.pdf
The study you linked two is two years old, the result of a Georgia Tech student project led by Mike Dobbins who, for reasons passing understanding, is a fan of reversible lanes. The plan is still being updated.

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The original 2014 study is available on Council Member Archibong’s website. Since the study was completed, the plan has received hundreds of comments from citizens and public officials. The plan is currently being revised, expanded, and updated with the goal of earning “grandfathered” approval as an Atlanta Regional Commission Livable Centers Initiative (LCI) plan.

Imagine Memorial
A number of those "hundreds of comments" were from my neighbors in Reynoldstown who live right next to these lanes, and hate them.

The current executive of the Memorial Drive project at Central Atlanta Progress is Greg Giuffrida. In August 2016 he spoke at the Reynoldstown community meeting and gave an update that included this:

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-New traffic study. Road diet for Memorial Drive. Looking for reversible lanes to transform into center turning lane. $200K study that Georgia Department of Transportation is funding. Arcadis (sp) is firm doing study. Will have 1 or 2 comment meetings.

-Memorial Drive greenway, linear park; reviving idea. Park Pride is doing 8 month visioning program. TU 8/30, 6:30 p.m., at Trees Atlanta will be initial public meeting. Residents welcome.

-Trolley Trail. Finish PATH Foundation’s trail along Arkwright, Flat Shoals into Moreland. Hosted public meeting recently for design ideas. Will share presentation. More feedback will be collected. Would like to have project completed in 2-3 years. This would be connection between Beltline and Stone Mountain Trail.

RCIL Meeting Minutes, Aug 2016 | Reynoldstown
That last bullet point isn't specific to this conversation, but I include it because I'm so jazzed about that project.

All signs point to the reversible lanes going away on Memorial Drive, too. In a perfect (self-driving) world they might work alright for cars. But with human drivers still a factor, they don't work. People make mistakes. They get confused. And they cause crashes. There are plenty of reasons to remove the reversible lanes that have only to do with making car drivers' lives better.
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Old 11-27-2016, 06:04 PM
 
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The problem isn't necessarily the engineering. The problem is human beings.

Sorry for ranting. Maybe I'm tired of our society spending money because of human stupidity.
Well, I think good engineering has to take human error into account.

Most people do the right thing but even intelligent, careful people make mistakes.
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Old 11-27-2016, 06:40 PM
 
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Well, I think good engineering has to take human error into account.

Most people do the right thing but even intelligent, careful people make mistakes.
A general rule of engineering is that you can never idiot-proof a system, as there will always be someone, given enough people, who will think of a way to break your system that a million man-hours could never have considered.
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Old 11-27-2016, 06:53 PM
 
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Well, I think good engineering has to take human error into account.

Most people do the right thing but even intelligent, careful people make mistakes.
Road design can only account for 80% of crashes. Those remaining 20% are human behavior (speeding, DUI, following too close, not yielding.)
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Old 11-27-2016, 08:35 PM
 
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A general rule of engineering is that you can never idiot-proof a system, as there will always be someone, given enough people, who will think of a way to break your system that a million man-hours could never have considered.
That may be the rule in engineering, but the rule in design is that if most of your users can't understand it, the problem is with your design, not most of your users.
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Old 11-27-2016, 10:01 PM
 
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That may be the rule in engineering, but the rule in design is that if most of your users can't understand it, the problem is with your design, not most of your users.
Oh no, that still applies. Just that you will never be able to get 100% understanding and comprehension no matter how well you design the product. That and there will always be someone to come along and break it.
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Old 11-28-2016, 01:09 PM
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Oh no, that still applies. Just that you will never be able to get 100% understanding and comprehension no matter how well you design the product. That and there will always be someone to come along and break it.
They are so rare in Atlanta and Atlanta has so many newcomers all the time, it makes it difficult to educate the population.
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Old 11-28-2016, 01:13 PM
 
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The contraflow lanes on US 78 were removed because of safety and operational improvements, why is DeKalb and Memorial Dr any different? This road design is outdated and a holdover from the mid-20th century were maximum number of cars was the best practice and not operational efficiency (left turn lanes.)
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Old 11-28-2016, 06:58 PM
 
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Bring it on. If the Millennials want bike lanes on DeKalb why shouldn't they have them?

Move some of the E-W auto traffic to Mclendon, Hosea Williams and Memorial.
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Old 11-28-2016, 07:05 PM
 
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Move some of the E-W auto traffic to Mclendon, Hosea Williams and Memorial.
Or the quick and convenient MARTA train that parallels DeKalb, perhaps.
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