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Old 10-25-2016, 08:09 AM
 
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Because they're relatively new. They've only been there ten years, or so. Maybe not even ten years.
Didn't stop us from building a new baseball stadium. It's a sunk cost. If it's not working, move on and do something else. The work on Dekalb isn't going to be free.
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Old 10-25-2016, 08:16 AM
 
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DeKalb needs it. The contraflow lanes are dangerous and outdated. This is a plan (similar to Peachtree and Ponce) to make the roadway safer for everyone and in doing so if the state/city can follow their complete street requirements, they will take that opportunity. Get over it, but the contraflow lanes are going away.
Oh I get that this is happening. I was happily surprised when the removal of lanes on Ponce wasn't as bad as I thought, but the big difference there is it's still got two travel lanes. Still haven't been presented with a convincing argument as to why contraflow lanes on Dekalb are so dangerous and need to be eliminated, but on memorial the initial studies showed they worked great and should be expanded. Almost as if these very similar projects, very near each other, are looking at similar problems and arriving at totally different conclusions . . . because they started from the end and worked backwards to justify it. I've been driving Deklab since I had my learners permit. in the 16+ years since, I've had zero incidents of head on collisions, or even near misses. It feels way more dangerous than it is. The signage and signaling could be vastly improved for a small fraction for the cost of this project.

Being Atlanta, these protected left turns are going to have light cycles of about 3 seconds, and not be in any way coordinated with the signals on the streets they feed. So the folks turning left are just going to pack into the turn lane, overflow it's length, and eventually block the through lanes. I guess you could make the argument that is no worse than the present day situation for the single-lane direction, so what's the harm in trying?

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Old 10-25-2016, 09:04 AM
 
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DeKalb needs it. The contraflow lanes are dangerous and outdated. This is a plan (similar to Peachtree and Ponce) to make the roadway safer for everyone and in doing so if the state/city can follow their complete street requirements, they will take that opportunity. Get over it, but the contraflow lanes are going away.
Every plan is dangerous because too many folks are impatient and drive like total idiots. The thing I worry about is that this (and other plans throughout the city) is essentially decreasing capacity for cars, and folks will become even more impatient and drive like bigger schmucks (if that is even possible).
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Old 10-25-2016, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Every plan is dangerous because too many folks are impatient and drive like total idiots. The thing I worry about is that this (and other plans throughout the city) is essentially decreasing capacity for cars, and folks will become even more impatient and drive like bigger schmucks (if that is even possible).
Are saying to avoid people 'not following the laws' we should allow wider roads? I understand the concern, but that is treating the symptoms and not the cause, which is designing our city for cars and not people. I would be willing to bet that over 90% of the commuters on DeKalb are driving alone.
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Old 10-25-2016, 09:19 AM
 
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Are saying to avoid people 'not following the laws' we should allow wider roads? I understand the concern, but that is treating the symptoms and not the cause, which is designing our city for cars and not people. I would be willing to bet that over 90% of the commuters on DeKalb are driving alone.
That was more of a "vent" than a critique on my part. Just tired of impatient drivers driving without regard for other humans because *their* time is sooo important.
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Old 10-25-2016, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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That was more of a "vent" than a critique on my part. Just tired of impatient drivers driving without regard for other humans because *their* time is sooo important.
Some take home coupons (tickets) would make an impact.
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Old 10-25-2016, 09:26 AM
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Every plan is dangerous because too many folks are impatient and drive like total idiots. The thing I worry about is that this (and other plans throughout the city) is essentially decreasing capacity for cars, and folks will become even more impatient and drive like bigger schmucks (if that is even possible).
Proof-Drive along Briarcliff or LaVista. People will regularly cross the double yellow line and drive into oncoming traffic to get to their left turn lanes.
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Old 10-25-2016, 09:34 AM
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Didn't stop us from building a new baseball stadium. It's a sunk cost. If it's not working, move on and do something else. The work on Dekalb isn't going to be free.
You're talking about profit motivated ventures. Municipal projects don't operate the same way.
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Old 10-25-2016, 10:06 AM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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Didn't stop us from building a new baseball stadium. It's a sunk cost. If it's not working, move on and do something else. The work on Dekalb isn't going to be free.
What "us?" CoA isn't paying for that.
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Old 10-25-2016, 10:20 AM
 
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Proof-Drive along Briarcliff or LaVista. People will regularly cross the double yellow line and drive into oncoming traffic to get to their left turn lanes.
Had some jerks in a work truck follow why my wife to our home to yell and at her for not passing a cyclist on McClendon. Never mind that she didn't think it was safe to pass, or that they pissed away more tme following her home, or that she was a woman by herself and they were a truckload of men...
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