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Old 04-07-2015, 08:48 AM
 
Location: ATL -> HOU -> DAL
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Ha. Die hard fans live hundreds or thousands of miles away and you still won't support a team that moved not even 15 miles up 75 and is 2 miles outside of Atlanta city limits. All because it's Cobb county and you can't stand it. There wasn't even this much crying when the Cowboys of all teams moved from Dallas County to Tarrant County. I mean geez the Marlins made a change. From Florida to Miami and from drab to flashy and colorful and a new stadium.
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Old 04-07-2015, 09:10 AM
 
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Exactly, because there is more to being a fan than distance. The Braves could have moved half a mile and been just as insulting to their history and would have lost me as a fan.

You don't get it. All my examples are to show that it is not about the distance. Yankees and Mets / Cubs and White Sox are less than 10 miles from each other, does that make them the same team? Nope. The Braves are not the same team I grew up with in basically every way possible besides the name. You can pretend to be a fan of the name, but the true fans know it is not the same team any more.
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Old 04-07-2015, 09:31 AM
 
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The Braves look much better than I thought they would back when I first heard about losing Heyward. They have a fast and experienced outfield that is on par with last year's and roughly the same infield with a better 2nd baseman. There are some really good hitters in the lineup and some good bench players. All in all the team looks nearly as good as last year. I know it's hard to let go of players that are fan favorites, but it happens all the time in professional sports and especially in baseball. I was very upset over the Prado trade a couple of years ago but that turned out well. I think as fans we can't always see the big picture. I will miss Heyward, Kimbrell, Upton, Gattis, etc but, like every year, we have to move on and support our team as always. This "I gave up on the Braves" attitude is not one that I recognize in true baseball (or sports) fans.
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Old 04-07-2015, 09:51 AM
 
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This "I gave up on the Braves" attitude is not one that I recognize in true baseball (or sports) fans.
It's not really an "I give up" attitude. It is more like the same feeling towards Braves that fans felt towards the Dodger's owner:

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...O'Malley [the Dodgers Owner] was so hated by Brooklyn Dodger fans, after the move to California, that it was said, "If you asked a Brooklyn Dodger fan, if you had a gun with only two bullets in it and were in a room with Hitler, Stalin and O'Malley, who would you shoot? The answer: O'Malley, twice!"
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Old 04-07-2015, 09:59 AM
 
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It's not really an "I give up" attitude. It is more like the same feeling towards Braves that fans felt towards the Dodger's owner:
Maybe not for you, but some of the comments I've read here display an "I give up" attitude. I don't believe that those are the true Braves or baseball fans. True fans don't turn their backs on their team so easily over trades like these because they happen ALL THE TIME.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:02 AM
 
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Maybe not for you, but some of the comments I've read here display an "I give up" attitude. I don't believe that those are the true Braves or baseball fans. True fans don't turn their backs on their team so easily over trades like these because they happen ALL THE TIME.
You realize most of these people are well aware that trades happen all the time and that that is not the foundation of their motivations towards the Braves, correct?
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Home of the Braves
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You realize most of these people are well aware that trades happen all the time and that that is not the foundation of their motivations towards the Braves, correct?
The OP was about the trades. That changed with the arrival of the Butthurt Brigade, beginning with you in the first reply.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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Anyone ditching the Braves as a fan because of a move from Summerhill to Cumberland was never a real Braves fan to begin with. End of discussion. (Well, this little rabbit trail of a discussion that more precisely ended with CameronH's comments, brilliant by the way).

Back to the recent trades and the season upcoming.
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Old 04-07-2015, 11:05 AM
 
Location: ATL -> HOU -> DAL
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Exactly, because there is more to being a fan than distance. The Braves could have moved half a mile and been just as insulting to their history and would have lost me as a fan.

You don't get it. All my examples are to show that it is not about the distance. Yankees and Mets / Cubs and White Sox are less than 10 miles from each other, does that make them the same team? Nope. The Braves are not the same team I grew up with in basically every way possible besides the name. You can pretend to be a fan of the name, but the true fans know it is not the same team any more.
Of course they aren't the same team as when you grew up. Players get older! They retire! They decline in ability! This is nothing new at all! And of course two different franchises aren't the same team!

Like I said before, the entire 1995 WS winning team is gone. No one on that team is still with the team today. Doesn't mean I gave up on the team as they all left. That's to be expected. Players come and go. They're still the Braves. They still represent the Atlanta media market and many others across the south.

Please tell me how the team has changed other than the players. The philosophy in play, getting personnel to fit the system. Going after power hitters or focusing on small ball instead. Tweaking the starting rotation. I wanna know exactly how the culture has been changing like you said it has.
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Old 04-07-2015, 11:44 AM
 
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Players do come and go but what fans (of any team) really want is a successful team....wins puts bums on seats.....just look at the Hawks attendances this season.

I'm really interested to see how this summer pans out for the Braves, do they really want maybe 30 or 40% (I'm guessing) of their fan base becoming dis-interested because they are a below 500 team by the time August rolls around?

Those Tuesday evening late summer match ups against the Marlins will be (even more) lonely affairs for just the die-hards.

I expect some aggressive ticket promotions to come through soon to entice the floating fans back or have the Braves given up on the remainder of their time at Turner Field altogether (in terms of big crowds)?
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