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Old 04-19-2015, 07:30 AM
 
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I pulled commuting data for Gwinnett, (2000, is most recent i could find)

57K of 306K commuter go to Fulton
51K go to DeKalb (But I seriously doubt most would use marta train do to the lenght of time it would take)
169K live and work within Gwinnett

Cobb come in @ 9K from Gwinnett

Rest are spread out with neighboring Counties in the in the low thousand of people, dropping as you get farther and father from Gwinnett.

There are 405k Voters in Gwinnett, you might get the Fulton Commuters and there SO's so maybe 75-100K votes (If everyone voted) But since turn out is lower it would be hard to get the sales tax passed since most of Gwinnett would have no use for MARTA, I could see Maybe Gwinnett "Building a Marta extension, and some cars" and pay fee to Marta to run the "Gwinnett" cars on its system,
If there was an east-west connection that would probably help tilt northern Gwinnett in favor of MARTA.
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Old 04-19-2015, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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If there was an east-west connection that would probably help tilt northern Gwinnett in favor of MARTA.
An E/W connection where? Across I-285? To Fulton? Between Duluth and Lawrenceville?
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Old 04-19-2015, 08:02 AM
 
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I would say probably along 285 for starters but you also want to reach Duluth and Lawrenceville.
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:27 AM
 
Location: ATL -> HOU -> DAL
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I would say probably along 285 for starters but you also want to reach Duluth and Lawrenceville.
Definitely needs something to PC. That's the worst part. I rather drive to midtown instead of PC.
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Old 04-19-2015, 11:06 AM
 
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If there was an east-west connection that would probably help tilt northern Gwinnett in favor of MARTA.
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An E/W connection where? Across I-285? To Fulton? Between Duluth and Lawrenceville?
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I would say probably along 285 for starters but you also want to reach Duluth and Lawrenceville.
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Definitely needs something to PC. That's the worst part. I rather drive to midtown instead of PC.
I think arjay is talking about something like this, which are (completely unfunded) plans for a high-capacity transit line across the Top End of the I-285 Perimeter between Doraville and Cumberland by way of the Perimeter Center area:
http://www.revive285.com/f/TSPSAInfoSheets.pdf

http://www.revive285.com/f/TSPWorkshopPresentation2.pdf

The current unfunded plans for the line call for either Bus Rapid Transit or Light Rail Transit.

But with the population and the amount of development on the Northside continuing to explode on an already wholly-inadequate road network, the line should most likely be a self-funded high-capacity passenger rail transit line of the regional Heavy Rail Transit variety that operates between Northern Cobb and Northern Gwinnett counties by way of the I-285 Top End Perimeter.
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Old 04-19-2015, 11:41 AM
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You know some are stuck on thinking everywhere runs like Texas. This is not DART service area, where cities pick and choose if they want to be member...
Its simple politics. There's an article in the AJC with the city and Fulton County fighting over the commission that runs Turner Field and Phillips Arena. Atlanta gets 6 appointees and Fulton gets 3. Mayor Reed just hired an ally to run the group without a search and Fulton County was unhappy. The north Fulton cities are fighting to get out of Fulton County.
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Old 04-19-2015, 11:43 AM
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I think arjay is talking about something like this, which are (completely unfunded) plans for a high-capacity transit line across the Top End of the I-285 Perimeter between Doraville and Cumberland by way of the Perimeter Center area:
http://www.revive285.com/f/TSPSAInfoSheets.pdf

http://www.revive285.com/f/TSPWorkshopPresentation2.pdf

The current unfunded plans for the line call for either Bus Rapid Transit or Light Rail Transit.

But with the population and the amount of development on the Northside continuing to explode on an already wholly-inadequate road network, the line should most likely be a self-funded high-capacity passenger rail transit line of the regional Heavy Rail Transit variety that operates between Northern Cobb and Northern Gwinnett counties by way of the I-285 Top End Perimeter.
I think light rail is a bad idea along there. With the traffic, it must be grade separated. And if you are going to do that, you've incurred most of the excess costs that HRT generate, without the direct connections or speed that HRT would have.
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Old 04-19-2015, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, Ga
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I think light rail is a bad idea along there. With the traffic, it must be grade separated. And if you are going to do that, you've incurred most of the excess costs that HRT generate, without the direct connections or speed that HRT would have.
That's a great point. That's not the only regressive factor either. Outside of being roughly ten mph slower on average, you're also looking at having to roll out new train stock, provide training for employees, additional maintanence yards, PLUS no matter how the line gets set up, it can't run concurrent with any existing MARTA line as a transfer would be required.

You would think sometimes Atlanta would be a little more liberal on spending to boost MARTA rail considering how light the region is.
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Old 04-19-2015, 01:32 PM
 
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I think arjay is talking about something like this, which are (completely unfunded) plans for a high-capacity transit line across the Top End of the I-285 Perimeter between Doraville and Cumberland by way of the Perimeter Center area:
http://www.revive285.com/f/TSPSAInfoSheets.pdf

http://www.revive285.com/f/TSPWorkshopPresentation2.pdf

The current unfunded plans for the line call for either Bus Rapid Transit or Light Rail Transit.

But with the population and the amount of development on the Northside continuing to explode on an already wholly-inadequate road network, the line should most likely be a self-funded high-capacity passenger rail transit line of the regional Heavy Rail Transit variety that operates between Northern Cobb and Northern Gwinnett counties by way of the I-285 Top End Perimeter.
Yep, I could definitely see that, B2R. That would serve a lot of folks.
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Old 04-19-2015, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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That's a great point. That's not the only regressive factor either. Outside of being roughly ten mph slower on average, you're also looking at having to roll out new train stock, provide training for employees, additional maintanence yards, PLUS no matter how the line gets set up, it can't run concurrent with any existing MARTA line as a transfer would be required.

You would think sometimes Atlanta would be a little more liberal on spending to boost MARTA rail considering how light the region is.
As for the 10 mph slower bit, I imagine part of that could be reduced by building track and buying trains (if they have to get new cars anyway) that could handle higher speeds. The stops could be spread out enough to allow the average to go up. Ultimately, compared to free-flowing traffic, the train will probably always be a bit slower, but when rush-hour hits, or traffic accidents mangle a few lanes, those trains would rocket past traffic like nothing else.

They could connect the line into either the red or orange lines easily, but will probably need a new facility, which will probably be needed anyway if/when Connect 400 and/or I-20 East come online. If they brought it in at a theoretical Armor Yard station, they could minimize the delay effects of transfers by joining in where the Red and Gold lines run double.
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