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Old 04-16-2015, 05:21 PM
 
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When it comes down to it, if Atlanta still dominates the MARTA board Gwinnett is going to be very reluctant to join.
And with just Gwinnett, Atlanta isn't going to want to give up much power.
Where are you getting this idea from? Do you just think everyone is against Atlanta?
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Old 04-16-2015, 05:32 PM
 
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Good news, but here's the "troubling" part: 50% said they would support a one percent sales tax to fund that expansion. That's cutting it very close; just a swing of a few voters and bam, no MARTA in Gwinnett County. It is an improvement compared to the 1990s, though, when support was much, much, much lower.
At this point in time with a county like Gwinnett having a population of nearly 900,000 and the very-severe traffic congestion problems and economic need to go with that explosive population growth, I don't think that the expansion of high-capacity passenger rail transit service outside of Fulton and DeKalb counties should even be put up for a vote.

I think that they should pay for the expansion of rail transit service into outlying counties like Gwinnett with a large-scale P3 (Public-Private Partnership) funded with real estate revenues and business fees and sponsorships collected by the Georgia, Metro Atlanta and county chambers of commerce.

....And it should be the State of Georgia that leads and coordinates the effort to expand high-capacity passenger rail transit service (Heavy Rail Transit and commuter rail service) out to Gwinnett County, not MARTA and/or Gwinnett County government alone.

The pressing need for high-capacity passenger rail transit service in outlying counties (particularly in heavily-populated urbanizing suburban counties with severe traffic congestion problems like Gwinnett and Cobb) has already been established and recognized....And there is no reason that such a critically important logistical need should potentially be left up to the whims of the aging anti-tax, anti-transit voters who still tend to dominate those counties' electorates.

Traffic is really bad and the logistical and economic need for rail transit is great (if not overwhelming) and increasing almost everywhere in the metro area outside of Fulton and DeKalb counties. There is no way that something so critically important should be put up for a vote like it is something that is merely optional and/or not a necessity.

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Bonus: There's only one comment on the AJC version at the time of this posting, but it's pure vein-popping gold:

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- skbl17
That guy has posted those types of comments before, he's not even really serious, he's just joking around and kind of mocking the people who really are serious when they make those types of comments.

Though this raises the point that that type of comment still reflects the anti-transit mindset of older residents (the people most likely to vote in an extremely transient community like Gwinnett County) who think that transit brings crime and people of color to the suburbs....That's despite both crime and people of color already having been in Gwinnett County in abundance for many years without adequate transit service.

Despite the population in Gwinnett having grown exceptionally diverse to the point where non-Hispanic whites now make up only about 40% of the county's population, I still don't know if the electorate might have yet grown enough to have fully encompassed that much more diverse viewpoint and growing general consensus that heavily-populated urban counties like Gwinnett and Cobb NEED rail transit service.

Transit is just simply NOT an option in very large major metro regions with severe and worsening traffic congestion issues like Atlanta, it is an absolute necessity.
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Old 04-16-2015, 05:32 PM
 
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Think they can put it on the ballot in 2016?
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Old 04-16-2015, 05:36 PM
 
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The problems (new trains, facilities, construction methods, etc.) of a new transit agency would far way out weigh just letting MARTA run the trains. Gwinnett Co. would also get far more reach by using MARTA's already established facilities and resources than trying to start completely from scratch.

Why do you consider MARTA an evil at all? Has the agency not, in the past few years, shown that it can manage itself responsibly while still progressing and upgrading?
Plus riders would have to pay twice verses paying once with Marta
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Old 04-16-2015, 05:42 PM
 
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So what do we think Gwinnett would get system-wise if MARTA was approved in Gwinnett?

Bus service of course.

The Gold Line extension up the 85 corridor? http://www.gwinnettplacecid.com/pdfs...or-Dec_rev.pdf

Also, the Gwinnett section of the "Brain Train" commuter rail?
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Old 04-16-2015, 05:45 PM
 
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So what do we think Gwinnett would get system-wise if MARTA was approved in Gwinnett?

Bus service of course.

The Gold Line extension up the 85 corridor? http://www.gwinnettplacecid.com/pdfs...or-Dec_rev.pdf

Also, the Gwinnett section of the "Brain Train" commuter rail?
Commuter rail since the line already goes up 85
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Old 04-16-2015, 06:11 PM
 
Location: East Side of ATL
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This should be interesting since Gwinnett County just put out a RFP for their transit agency for next year.

County transit operating, maintenance contract extended for six months | Gwinnett Daily Post

Gwinnett needs some help with their transit. Too many of their lines run empty all day.
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Old 04-16-2015, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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This should be interesting since Gwinnett County just put out a RFP for their transit agency for next year.

County transit operating, maintenance contract extended for six months | Gwinnett Daily Post

Gwinnett needs some help with their transit. Too many of their lines run empty all day.
That's because their lines share the problem with CCT, and 90% of MARTA's lines, they're slow, with long headways, meander needlessly and go nowhere.
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Old 04-16-2015, 07:05 PM
 
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At this point in time with a county like Gwinnett having a population of nearly 900,000 and the very-severe traffic congestion problems and economic need to go with that explosive population growth, I don't think that the expansion of high-capacity passenger rail transit service outside of Fulton and DeKalb counties should even be put up for a vote.

I think that they should pay for the expansion of rail transit service into outlying counties like Gwinnett with a large-scale P3 (Public-Private Partnership) funded with real estate revenues and business fees and sponsorships collected by the Georgia, Metro Atlanta and county chambers of commerce.

....And it should be the State of Georgia that leads and coordinates the effort to expand high-capacity passenger rail transit service (Heavy Rail Transit and commuter rail service) out to Gwinnett County, not MARTA and/or Gwinnett County government alone.

The pressing need for high-capacity passenger rail transit service in outlying counties (particularly in heavily-populated urbanizing suburban counties with severe traffic congestion problems like Gwinnett and Cobb) has already been established and recognized....And there is no reason that such a critically important logistical need should potentially be left up to the whims of the aging anti-tax, anti-transit voters who still tend to dominate those counties' electorates.

Traffic is really bad and the logistical and economic need for rail transit is great (if not overwhelming) and increasing almost everywhere in the metro area outside of Fulton and DeKalb counties. There is no way that something so critically important should be put up for a vote like it is something that is merely optional and/or not a necessity.


That guy has posted those types of comments before, he's not even really serious, he's just joking around and kind of mocking the people who really are serious when they make those types of comments.

Though this raises the point that that type of comment still reflects the anti-transit mindset of older residents (the people most likely to vote in an extremely transient community like Gwinnett County) who think that transit brings crime and people of color to the suburbs....That's despite both crime and people of color already having been in Gwinnett County in abundance for many years without adequate transit service.

Despite the population in Gwinnett having grown exceptionally diverse to the point where non-Hispanic whites now make up only about 40% of the county's population, I still don't know if the electorate might have yet grown enough to have fully encompassed that much more diverse viewpoint and growing general consensus that heavily-populated urban counties like Gwinnett and Cobb NEED rail transit service.

Transit is just simply NOT an option in very large major metro regions with severe and worsening traffic congestion issues like Atlanta, it is an absolute necessity.

Agreed.


This is like putting up a vote on a new road or sewer line when it just needs to happen.
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Old 04-16-2015, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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At this point in time with a county like Gwinnett having a population of nearly 900,000 and the very-severe traffic congestion problems and economic need to go with that explosive population growth, I don't think that the expansion of high-capacity passenger rail transit service outside of Fulton and DeKalb counties should even be put up for a vote.

I think that they should pay for the expansion of rail transit service into outlying counties like Gwinnett with a large-scale P3 (Public-Private Partnership) funded with real estate revenues and business fees and sponsorships collected by the Georgia, Metro Atlanta and county chambers of commerce.

....And it should be the State of Georgia that leads and coordinates the effort to expand high-capacity passenger rail transit service (Heavy Rail Transit and commuter rail service) out to Gwinnett County, not MARTA and/or Gwinnett County government alone.

The pressing need for high-capacity passenger rail transit service in outlying counties (particularly in heavily-populated urbanizing suburban counties with severe traffic congestion problems like Gwinnett and Cobb) has already been established and recognized....And there is no reason that such a critically important logistical need should potentially be left up to the whims of the aging anti-tax, anti-transit voters who still tend to dominate those counties' electorates.

Traffic is really bad and the logistical and economic need for rail transit is great (if not overwhelming) and increasing almost everywhere in the metro area outside of Fulton and DeKalb counties. There is no way that something so critically important should be put up for a vote like it is something that is merely optional and/or not a necessity.


That guy has posted those types of comments before, he's not even really serious, he's just joking around and kind of mocking the people who really are serious when they make those types of comments.

Though this raises the point that that type of comment still reflects the anti-transit mindset of older residents (the people most likely to vote in an extremely transient community like Gwinnett County) who think that transit brings crime and people of color to the suburbs....That's despite both crime and people of color already having been in Gwinnett County in abundance for many years without adequate transit service.

Despite the population in Gwinnett having grown exceptionally diverse to the point where non-Hispanic whites now make up only about 40% of the county's population, I still don't know if the electorate might have yet grown enough to have fully encompassed that much more diverse viewpoint and growing general consensus that heavily-populated urban counties like Gwinnett and Cobb NEED rail transit service.

Transit is just simply NOT an option in very large major metro regions with severe and worsening traffic congestion issues like Atlanta, it is an absolute necessity.

Not just yes, but Hell Yes!

The State needs to step up, and someone needs to slap them around a little at this point. The business community has already started, we need to band together and send a LOUD message to these fools and finish the job.

The media spotlight and open public ridicule are needed now.
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