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Old 05-13-2015, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Any future HRT line through Clayton County should basically be a southern extension of the existing MARTA Red Line....And should be extended north to eventually terminate at the major tourist/consumer/retail attraction that is the North Georgia Premium Outlets Mall near the intersection of Georgia Highways 400 and 53 in South Dawson County.
We should not pay billions of dollars to run a HRT line to a privately owned outlet mall, when it could close at any time, especially since the new outlets in Woodstock could take away a lot of business.
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Old 05-13-2015, 07:12 AM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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We should not pay billions of dollars to run a HRT line to a privately owned outlet mall, when it could close at any time, especially since the new outlets in Woodstock could take away a lot of business.
MARTA to Dawsonville will never happen in our lifetimes (if ever), and I'd be very surprised if it ever goes past Windward at all.
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Old 05-13-2015, 07:40 AM
 
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MARTA to Dawsonville will never happen in our lifetimes (if ever), and I'd be very surprised if it ever goes past Windward at all.
It shouldn't, there is not enough density to serve the exurban counties of Forsyth and Dawson County.
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Old 05-13-2015, 12:57 PM
 
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We should not pay billions of dollars to run a HRT line to a privately owned outlet mall, when it could close at any time, especially since the new outlets in Woodstock could take away a lot of business.
I agree that "we" (as in residents, businesses and visitors of Fulton, DeKalb and Clayton counties who already pay the 1% sales tax that funds MARTA transit service) should not pay billions of dollars to run an HRT line to a privately-owned outlet mall.

It is the State of Georgia that (by way of large-scale real estate-funded Public-Private Partnerships and distance-based fare collections) should pay to extend regional HRT service (primarily in the form of express regional HRT trains) to the growing area of commercial and industrial properties that surrounds the North Georgia Premium Outlets Mall at and near the junction of Georgia Highways 400 and 53 in the Dawsonville area.

Even with opening of the outlet mall in Woodstock, the North Georgia Premium Outlets in Dawsonville continues to go strong because it serves a certain niche (highly-discounted name-brand retail) in a prime location (in the affluent Georgia 400 corridor portion of affluent North Metro Atlanta near Lake Lanier and the North Georgia Mountains) that will most likely continue to be profitable.

Besides, we already run HRT to privately-owned malls at Lenox Square Mall and Perimeter Mall and are in the very early stages of planning to run HRT to privately-owned malls (and retail properties) at North Point Mall, Avalon and the Mall at Stonecrest.

Serving high-profile privately-owned commercial property is a major part of what operating transit is about because those high-profile privately-owned commercial properties are what can generate ridership.

In the 21st Century those high-profile privately-owned commercial properties also can generate transit-funding revenue from increased property taxes, real estate leases and private sponsorships.

Just other high-profile locations that have been mentioned in these ongoing discussions about transit, North Georgia Premium Outlets is a major regional destination that should be targeted for eventual transit expansion over the long-term (...North Fulton County between North Springs and Windward Parkway should obviously be targeted for transit expansion first).

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MARTA to Dawsonville will never happen in our lifetimes (if ever), and I'd be very surprised if it ever goes past Windward at all.
I think that regional HRT will eventually be extended beyond Windward Parkway and into Forsyth County and eventually Dawson County because of the severely constrained nature of the Georgia 400 corridor....Which is just about maxed-out in how much the roadway can be expanded to accommodate the sharply rising volumes of traffic that is being generated by the explosive growth in the Georgia 400 North corridor.

The population, development and traffic continue to sharply increase in that area, but the amount of road space largely does not and likely will not increase anywhere near enough to help avert eventual gridlock.

Particularly with the aggressive real estate development community that exists in North Fulton and South Forsyth counties, in about 10-15 years, Forsyth County will likely be screaming for high-capacity transit service to be extended north from Windward Parkway into Forsyth as a means of being able to still move north and south along the GA 400 corridor during the increasingly frequent periods that the GA 400 roadway itself will be gridlocked.

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It shouldn't, there is not enough density to serve the exurban counties of Forsyth and Dawson County.
North of the GA 400/GA 20 interchange, a regional HRT line would largely function as a commuter rail line....Which is along the lines of what the original MARTA system was intended to function as....As a regional commuter rail service on HRT tracks that services both higher-density urban areas and lower-density outer-suburban and exurban areas....Which is also similar to how Northern California's BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) currently functions in the Bay Area and how the D.C. Metrorail partially functions in the D.C. region.

There is no existing freight rail corridor on which commuter trains could operate on existing freight rail tracks along the GA 400 North corridor....So any future regional commuter rail service north to places like Cumming and Dawsonville would have no choice but to operate on regional HRT tracks that were extended out from North Fulton County along the GA 400 North corridor.
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