The importance of urbanized suburbs (Atlanta, Sandy Springs: house, schools, college)

[MississippianInMemphis]

Originally Posted by Tryska

Those would be outer burbs. Inner Ring in the context of Atlanta is ITP these days.

Outer burbs would be more like Newnan, Cumming, Canton. Gwinnett, Cobb, Clayton, Dekalb and North Fulton are the inner burbs of Atlanta.

[hautemomma]

Originally Posted by Tryska

Which is why I specifically stayed away in my homesearch from 1990s+ neighborhoods. I don't want anything to do with HOAs.

I think people should realize, too, that the in-town condo developments that many of the faux urban planners here champion also have HOAs, but they are not marginalized and antagonized like those suburban communities with HOAs.

Lots of people who live in HOA communities are not necessarily a fan of them. But if you look at where and how the Metro Atlanta development has taken place over the past 30 years, it has resulted in lots of HOA communities. Berating all people who live in HOAs is casting many unwarranted stones.

[Tryska]

Originally Posted by MississippianInMemphis

Outer burbs would be more like Newnan, Cumming, Canton. Gwinnett, Cobb, Clayton, Dekalb and North Fulton are the inner burbs of Atlanta.

Those would be exurbs. North Fulton and DeKalb would be inner burbs. Gwinett, Cobb, Clayton - depending on where you are range from regular old fringe suburb to exurb. It occurs to me that people who are primarily auto-dependent have a different sense of scale from what is considered a pedestrian range.

Rule of Thumb (hard to imagine with our barebones transit system), pretty much anything with the radius of the ends of the lines of MARTA is considered inner ring. I guess in Atlanta, barring direct transit access - we need to talk about the places Adjacent to CoA that were built pre-WWII. Places where people lived and could get to the city, before there were automobiles. and when there were trollies to get you everywhere. Once you pass that point you are in suburb, exurb territory

Hate to say it, but wiki has the most succinct definition of "inner suburb":

"In the United States, inner suburbs (sometimes known as "first-ring" suburbs) are the older, more populous communities of a metropolitan area that experienced urban sprawl before the Post–World War II baby boom, thus significantly predate those of their outer suburban or exurban counterparts."


Inner suburb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Tryska]

Originally Posted by hautemomma

I think people should realize, too, that the in-town condo developments that many of the faux urban planners here champion also have HOAs, but they are not marginalized and antagonized like those suburban communities with HOAs.

Lots of people who live in HOA communities are not necessarily a fan of them. But if you look at where and how the Metro Atlanta development has taken place over the past 30 years, it has resulted in lots of HOA communities. Berating all people who live in HOAs is casting many unwarranted stones.

lol - this is why I wouldn't buy a condo either.

I do not agree with the principle of an HOA, flat out. Don't really care what type of housing it is in. if you choose differently you choose differently. It isn't my cup of tea. I don't see where anyone is berating you for your choice though. Just saying they wouldn't choose it.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by Tryska

Those would be exurbs. North Fulton and DeKalb would be inner burbs. Gwinett, Cobb, Clayton - depending on where you are range from regular old fringe suburb to exurb. It occurs to me that people who are primarily auto-dependent have a different sense of scale from what is considered a pedestrian range.

Rule of Thumb (hard to imagine with our barebones transit system), pretty much anything with the radius of the ends of the lines of MARTA is considered inner ring. I guess in Atlanta, barring direct transit access - we need to talk about the places Adjacent to CoA that were built pre-WWII. Places where people lived and could get to the city, before there were automobiles. and when there were trollies to get you everywhere. Once you pass that point you are in suburb, exurb territory

Hate to say it, but wiki has the most succinct definition of "inner suburb":

"In the United States, inner suburbs (sometimes known as "first-ring" suburbs) are the older, more populous communities of a metropolitan area that experienced urban sprawl before the Post–World War II baby boom, thus significantly predate those of their outer suburban or exurban counterparts."


Inner suburb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Areas served by the old streetcar network? Decatur, East Point, College Park, Hapeville, Smyrna, Brookhaven.

[Tryska]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Areas served by the old streetcar network? Decatur, East Point, College Park, Hapeville, Smyrna, Brookhaven.

Yes! I would put Smyrna in the Inner Ring category - but I am on the fence. Sandy Springs is more inner ring to me now, because you can still use the Train to get there.

But I guess - to get deeper into that conversation - would places like Smyrna and Sandy Springs actually be considered Edge Cities as opposed to suburbs of Atlanta, since they have their own healthy commercial centers?

[skbl17]

Don't forget that there is a lot of low-density, suburban-style housing in the City of Atlanta itself. Suburban-style living is not exclusive to the actual suburbs.

I also think that the big problem is commuting. Living in the suburbs (especially if you have a family) is good, but the commutes are not, especially if you live in, say, Canton or Woodstock but work in Buckhead or Midtown or Perimeter Center. Hopefully, the rise of telecommuting and the reduction in opposition to mass transit by the state government and suburban counties leads to more options for commuters.

- skbl17

[hautemomma]

Originally Posted by Tryska

I don't see where anyone is berating you for your choice though. Just saying they wouldn't choose it.

This is what "zedsmith" said: I don't think I'd ever move to east cobb though. A bunch of right-libertarians who still want HOAs.

"Who still want HOAs" is linked to a certain profile of people the poster has in mind. It is casting a broad net and stereotyping.

[Tryska]

Originally Posted by hautemomma

This is what "zedsmith" said: I don't think I'd ever move to east cobb though. A bunch of right-libertarians who still want HOAs.

"Who still want HOAs" is linked to a certain profile of people the poster has in mind. It is casting a broad net and stereotyping.

true. I wouldn't say right-libertarians have the lock on wanting HOAs. They do sorta have a lock on East Cobb though. lol

[Tryska]

Originally Posted by skbl17

Don't forget that there is a lot of low-density, suburban-style housing in the City of Atlanta itself. Suburban-style living is not exclusive to the actual suburbs.

I also think that the big problem is commuting. Living in the suburbs (especially if you have a family) is good, but the commutes are not, especially if you live in, say, Canton or Woodstock but work in Buckhead or Midtown or Perimeter Center. Hopefully, the rise of telecommuting and the reduction in opposition to mass transit by the state government and suburban counties leads to more options for commuters.

- skbl17

yes - this is what I was originally trying to say. There is plenty of Archetypal "suburban" housing inside COA, and ITP, that is also served by transit that you can have the best of both worlds here.