"The Braves, Cobb County, and the debate over expanding mass transit" (Atlanta: crime rate, home)

[jsvh]

bu2 - You are really trying hard to bend the world to fit into your notion of reality.

[Dkeating]

Originally Posted by bu2

I'm at MARTA stations pretty frequently and have ridden it in the last month.

And I think my comment was Kensington. And MARTA's own stats show Kensington was 1st or 2nd among all MARTA stations in crime, despite all of you thinking I was being ridiculous. It just proved all of you had your heads in the sand. As for Avondale, it is adjacent to Scottsdale which is high crime.

It was Kensington and Avondale: http://www.city-data.com/forum/atlan...l#post38680796

Are you saying you wouldn't buy a house within a mile of

• Inman Park/Reynoldstown
• Edgewood/Candler Park
• East Lake (which would rule out parts of Decatur and Lake Claire)
• Decatur
• Avondale (including Avondale Estates, parts of NE CoD, and Winnona Park)?

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by bu2

I would absolutely not want to be within a mile of a station.

And you know, they don't steal just TVs. After all, prices are down. We got broken into here and they left the electronics and stole cash and jewelry. Fortunately, we didn't have much of either in the house. The previous crime wave in the area, they were just stealing jewelry and cash. That's the stuff that's easy to turn. Also real easy to stick in a backpack and not be noticed.

The cops tell me that virtually 100% of break-ins are committed by people with access to a car. That's why they say one of their most effective crime fighting techniques is traffic control and monitoring.

It simply isn't feasible to break into somebody's house, and then hoof it back through a residential area to a train station (which is policed and under security cameras), navigate the entry system, and wait for a train.

I do think there may be a certain amount of crime like shoplifting that takes place near train stations. You could walk through a mall or a store, slip something in your pocket and possibly get away undetected.

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by Dkeating

It was Kensington and Avondale: http://www.city-data.com/forum/atlan...l#post38680796

Are you saying you wouldn't buy a house within a mile of

• Inman Park/Reynoldstown
• Edgewood/Candler Park
• East Lake (which would rule out parts of Decatur and Lake Claire)
• Decatur
• Avondale (including Avondale Estates, parts of NE CoD, and Winnona Park)?

And further west:

• Lindbergh (includes Peachtree Hills and Garden Hills)
• Lenox or Brookhaven (Brookhaven, Peachtree Park, Pine Hills)
• Arts Center (Ansley Park, Sherwood Forest, Atlantic Station and Brookwood)
• Midtown
• North Ave

Yep, real crapholes listed right there.

[dcredskins]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Yes, it is hard to inflect sarcasm over a keyboard.
Not just Cobb, but anyone who currently uses or has in the past used the 'criminal' excuse as to why they don't want transit. As we spoke in the past, we have never seen anyone ride the train or bus with a TV they just stole.

I am going to break it down for the people who pretend not to understand the correlation of mass transit and crime/undesirable behavior.

1. Poor people are much more likely to commit crimes, especially violent crimes, than middle and upper class people. The worst areas in terms of crime in Atlanta are also the poorest.
2. Poor people are much more likely to live in areas with mass transit.
3. If you have no mass transit, then poor people are less likely to move there and thus you are less likely to have violent crime.

It's really that simple and I tend to believe people just don't want to accept those facts.

Bonus
1. Poor people are much more likely to have an lower class culture and mannerisms. Inability to avoid conflict. Not caring about education. General public manners.
2. Poor people are much more likely to live in areas with mass transit.
3. If you have no mass transit, then poor people are less likely to move there and thus your kids are less likely to adopt those cultures.

Now you guys can stop pretending that you don't know why middle class families don't want to be neighbors with the type of people from the Noisey Atlanta series. No one in their right mind would.

[ttownfeen]

Says the person who uses a racial epithet as their username.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by jsvh

bu2 - You are really trying hard to bend the world to fit into your notion of reality.

I was thinking the same about you.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by arjay57

The cops tell me that virtually 100% of break-ins are committed by people with access to a car. That's why they say one of their most effective crime fighting techniques is traffic control and monitoring.

It simply isn't feasible to break into somebody's house, and then hoof it back through a residential area to a train station (which is policed and under security cameras), navigate the entry system, and wait for a train.

I do think there may be a certain amount of crime like shoplifting that takes place near train stations. You could walk through a mall or a store, slip something in your pocket and possibly get away undetected.

Read post #40.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by Dkeating

It was Kensington and Avondale: http://www.city-data.com/forum/atlan...l#post38680796

Are you saying you wouldn't buy a house within a mile of

• Inman Park/Reynoldstown
• Edgewood/Candler Park
• East Lake (which would rule out parts of Decatur and Lake Claire)
• Decatur
• Avondale (including Avondale Estates, parts of NE CoD, and Winnona Park)?

I was debating whether to say 1/2 mile or a mile. Maybe it would be a 1/2 mile in Decatur.

Now I'm talking about SF. In a condo you have a little more security.

[ttownfeen]

Originally Posted by bu2

You didn't grasp what I said in my earlier post.

The increased foot traffic allows criminal to scout out places they want to rob. For home burglaries, they observe and figure out when people aren't at home, what type of security/dogs they have, and what they might have to steal. Then they come back at the appropriate time.

If there's no transit, there is less familiarity with the area and that makes it less of a target. Cul-de-sacs with no through car traffic have the same advantage.

This seems like a stretch at best. Are you saying no one would notice these unsavory characters and intervene? I live and work from home in the so-so-scary neighborhood of East Atlanta, where it seems you're more likely to be shot by Dekalb police than a criminal, and have not noticed this scoping out you talk about. I actively follow news from my neighbors on Nextdoor, and when somebody does report someone suspicious wandering around, it's usually a self-employed laborer going to a job. Not to say that burglaries and breaks-in don't happen, but they are faaar more likely from people who live nearby than someone riding the MARTA in from Bankhead.