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Old 03-31-2016, 07:52 AM
 
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But what I do know is that they probably would probably overall increase the fares for the overall passenger generally speaking verses making the cost cheaper. Plus the average person ITP probably has a monthly pass so they do not have to worry about paying $2.50 to go a couple of stops
Neither of these statements is true.

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It's not encouraging people to go to the suburbs. Generally MARTA is not much of a factor on people moving OTP because if that was the case nobody would live OTP and everyone would live ITP.
All things constant, housing costs will always be cheaper further away, but transportation costs go up. When you force a flat fare you make poor people move further away to save on housing costs.
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Old 03-31-2016, 07:56 AM
 
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Neither of these statements is true.



All things constant, housing costs will always be cheaper further away, but transportation costs go up. When you force a flat fare you make poor people move further away to save on housing costs.


Never said any statement was true.I'm speaking in general.

Most of the poor areas already have MARTA service, generally speaking. If you are going to use the poor people argument it will hurt them more because now they will have to pay more to ride MARTA. People in Clayton County will probably pay more to ride into Atlanta, generally speaking
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Old 03-31-2016, 08:42 AM
 
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Never said any statement was true.I'm speaking in general.
So I should not assume any statements you make are true?

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Most of the poor areas already have MARTA service, generally speaking. If you are going to use the poor people argument it will hurt them more because now they will have to pay more to ride MARTA. People in Clayton County will probably pay more to ride into Atlanta, generally speaking
If you want to subsidize the poor than subsidize the poor through something like a basic income. By distorting the market for transportation all we are going to do is continue to pressure the poor to move from places where housing is more expensive like in the city, out to where it is cheaper, like Clayton Co and other suburbs.
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Old 03-31-2016, 08:48 AM
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They should have zone based fares. Most systems have them.
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Old 03-31-2016, 08:52 AM
 
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They should have zone based fares. Most systems have them.
Just because everyone else does it we should jump on the Bandwagon huh. I dont like the follower mindset
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Old 03-31-2016, 08:58 AM
 
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I think starting with a 3 zone system like Denver probably makes sense to transition in to it. The Beltline could be the boundry between zone 1 / 2, I-285 could be the boundary between zone 2/3.

Make a ride in one zone or between a neighboring zone (1-2 zones) $2. Make going across three zones $4.50 ( like Denver). And maybe a special additional $2 to go to / from the airport.

So riding North Springs to downtown would be $4.50. North Springs to the airport would be $6.50. Downtown to the airport would be $4. Downtown to PCM would be $2.

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Just because everyone else does it we should jump on the Bandwagon huh. I dont like the follower mindset
Just because major systems around the world have them doesn't mean we shouldn't. In fact usually the opposite.
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Old 03-31-2016, 08:59 AM
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...cf6_story.html


Proof that zone fares dont always work. Its all about how the company is being ran
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Old 03-31-2016, 09:01 AM
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...cf6_story.html


Proof that zone fares dont always work. Its all about how the company is being ran
That is not proof that zone fares don't work. That is only proof that having zone fares doesn't make all your problems go away. Can we blame every problem a flat fare system has on flat fares?
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Old 03-31-2016, 09:19 AM
 
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That is not proof that zone fares don't work. That is only proof that having zone fares doesn't make all your problems go away. Can we blame every problem a flat fare system has on flat fares?
I spent way to much time on this. The moral of the story is there are plenty of other ways to bring in additional revenue. Increasing the price isnt always the answer for bringing in additional revenue. Plus MARTA has been averaging around a $30 million surplus annually for the last couple of years without having to raise the price.

The best revenue generator is expanding MARTA. The cost of expanding MARTA is so expensive that even if it went to a zone based system MARTA will still need additional revenue. Plus MARTA has reached its peak at expanding ITP outside of the CC line, generally speaking. So increasing the cost to a zone system will not benefit the residents of the city of Atlanta because the extra money that MARTA would bring in still will not be enough to pay for expansions.
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Old 03-31-2016, 09:32 AM
 
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I spent way to much time on this. The moral of the story is there are plenty of other ways to bring in additional revenue. Increasing the price isnt always the answer for bringing in additional revenue. Plus MARTA has been averaging around a $30 million surplus annually for the last couple of years without having to raise the price.

The best revenue generator is expanding MARTA. The cost of expanding MARTA is so expensive that even if it went to a zone based system MARTA will still need additional revenue. Plus MARTA has reached its peak at expanding ITP outside of the CC line, generally speaking. So increasing the cost to a zone system will not benefit the residents of the city of Atlanta because the extra money that MARTA would bring in still will not be enough to pay for expansions.
Again, you are confusing raising the price with a different pricing system. In my proposal above, most people would be paying less than they are paying today as almost all trips are either ITP -> ITP or OTP -> OTB. The only people paying more than $2 would be if you are going OTP -> ITB or to the airport.
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