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Old 07-14-2015, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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Give the people the chance to vote and express their desire, what is the county commissioners afraid of, that MARTA will actually pass?
I think there still needs to be a better rallying point that anchors the MARTA vote. Maybe devote some time and money to do surveys and transit alternative assessments with Gwinnett voters. Have a plan, like with Clayton, but with more solid work done, as to where buses are gonna go, where dedicated right of way transit is gonna go.

Are they going to try to extend HRT? Are they Going to establish Commuter rail. Both? What about BRT and LRT possibilities?

Could a revive 285 type project be funded on top of everything else? So on and so on. They don't have to be ready to break ground, but questions like 'how much?', 'where?', 'how?' ,and 'how long?' are questions that should have realistic answers.
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Old 07-14-2015, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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I think there still needs to be a better rallying point that anchors the MARTA vote. Maybe devote some time and money to do surveys and transit alternative assessments with Gwinnett voters. Have a plan, like with Clayton, but with more solid work done, as to where buses are gonna go, where dedicated right of way transit is gonna go.

Are they going to try to extend HRT? Are they Going to establish Commuter rail. Both? What about BRT and LRT possibilities?

Could a revive 285 type project be funded on top of everything else? So on and so on. They don't have to be ready to break ground, but questions like 'how much?', 'where?', 'how?' ,and 'how long?' are questions that should have realistic answers.
The future transit roll out plan MARTA did for Clayton was solid. It should bus routes, time frames and a fixed-guide transitway. Without doing the LPA and EIR the decision on the type of transit to run is a waste of time.
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Old 07-14-2015, 02:56 PM
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I think there still needs to be a better rallying point that anchors the MARTA vote. Maybe devote some time and money to do surveys and transit alternative assessments with Gwinnett voters. Have a plan, like with Clayton, but with more solid work done, as to where buses are gonna go, where dedicated right of way transit is gonna go.

Are they going to try to extend HRT? Are they Going to establish Commuter rail. Both? What about BRT and LRT possibilities?

Could a revive 285 type project be funded on top of everything else? So on and so on. They don't have to be ready to break ground, but questions like 'how much?', 'where?', 'how?' ,and 'how long?' are questions that should have realistic answers.
There's been ONE survey that showed support. That's not a lot to go on.

They need some discussion of what their approach should be and what they need. That's hardly irresponsible before permanently adding a 1 cent sales tax.
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Old 07-14-2015, 02:58 PM
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The embolden sentence right here just nullified your entire argument. How is Gwinnett suppose to be more "in touch"? If your elected leadership doesn't reflect your demographics and/or substantive position on issues of the majority then you are clearly out-of-touch with reality.
Gwinnett is the best run school system and best run county government. They keep getting elected because of that. That's kind of the definition of in touch. The definition of in touch doesn't mean agreeing with what city of Atlanta residents want for Gwinnett.
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Old 07-14-2015, 03:00 PM
 
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Decatur. North Fulton, and East Cobb have better schools than Gwinnett does.
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Old 07-14-2015, 03:07 PM
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Decatur. North Fulton, and East Cobb have better schools than Gwinnett does.
So Fulton gets to exclude South Fulton and Cobb gets to exclude the rest of Cobb? And Decatur gets to compare to a whole county?

Gwinnett has gotten the Broad prize TWICE! Gwinnett schools overall run circles around Cobb and Fulton. Its not close. At all.

But really the discussion is more about county government than schools. And Gwinnett does a pretty good job. They get some arrests too, but not as many.
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Old 07-14-2015, 03:27 PM
 
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And Gwinnett gets to ignore the South Gwinnett schools? Not all of Gwinnett schools are good.
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Old 07-14-2015, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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The future transit roll out plan MARTA did for Clayton was solid. It should bus routes, time frames and a fixed-guide transitway. Without doing the LPA and EIR the decision on the type of transit to run is a waste of time.
That's fair. I'm mostly talking about doing what they did in Clayton, but with a better idea of how much their options would cost. It doesn't have to be super accurate, but something in the ball park would go a long way towards helping people making the choice to join or not.

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There's been ONE survey that showed support. That's not a lot to go on.

They need some discussion of what their approach should be and what they need. That's hardly irresponsible before permanently adding a 1 cent sales tax.
I think you and I agree on this. There is still work to be done before the tax would win, but that one survey was very promising. Keep in mind that it was one of likely voters, with 50% saying they'd approve the MARTA tax. A solid push on campaigning on MARTA's part could very well push that support over the edge.
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Old 07-14-2015, 05:33 PM
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And Gwinnett gets to ignore the South Gwinnett schools? Not all of Gwinnett schools are good.
That's one of the primary reasons Gwinnett got the Broad awards. Because they do well with disadvantaged groups.

Two School Districts Awarded 2014 Broad Prize for Urban Education - US News
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Old 07-14-2015, 05:33 PM
 
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So Fulton gets to exclude South Fulton and Cobb gets to exclude the rest of Cobb? And Decatur gets to compare to a whole county?

Gwinnett has gotten the Broad prize TWICE! Gwinnett schools overall run circles around Cobb and Fulton. Its not close. At all.

But really the discussion is more about county government than schools. And Gwinnett does a pretty good job. They get some arrests too, but not as many.


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And Gwinnett gets to ignore the South Gwinnett schools? Not all of Gwinnett schools are good.
All of Gwinnett schools were brought up. The poster compared just east Cobb schools, just North Fulton and just city of Decatur schools to all of Gwinnett. No one ignored other Gwinnett schools which is the entire point.




Everyone who has taken a poly sci class knows that the majority of people who show up at the polls for non prez elections are white, old and conservative. This is nothing surprising, it's not a just Gwinnett thing.
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