Orlando developer to buy former GM plant in Doraville (Atlanta: assessors, neighbourhoods)

[cwkimbro]

Originally Posted by jero23

Ok...I read the thread, so there is no point is rehashing already reiterated comments. The survey is of the residents of Gwinnett County and they support a vote, but elected leadership doesn't want to hold a referendum. Case closed.

Be careful.

You're making alot of reactive mistakes. First and foremost you've made sweeping comments about a whole county and its government on what amounts to essentially just one issue, a divisive one. Many of the others you're failing to see or address at this point.

Secondly, this isn't as white and black as you're making it to be either.
If an actual vote was held in Gwinnett today, the reality is it would be a very close vote. especially as many more details would be nitpicked. The polling at local levels doesn't work as well. This issue in recent history has polled far better than it was voted on and that vote was non-binding, which means someone might more readily vote yes when they still harbor some concerns over unknown details. Many of which I have tried to address earlier in this thread.

If this is rushed to a vote today and it fails. In all likeliness that will put the issue to rest for the near future. Probably at least 5 years, if not 7 or 8 years. Timing is key.

Overall though, the county is extremely well managed and most of its leaders are in touch with their constituency.

And while less important to the discussion we are having, let's not forget the context of this article. This is caused from a developer wanting public investment on the table before he redevelops a site. He isn't looking out for Gwinnettians, as much as he is trying to maximize value of his holdings at the right time.

[jero23]

Originally Posted by cwkimbro

Be careful.

You're making alot of reactive mistakes. First and foremost you've made sweeping comments about a whole county and its government on what amounts to essentially just one issue, a divisive one. Many of the others you're failing to see or address at this point.

Secondly, this isn't as white and black as you're making it to be either.
If an actual vote was held in Gwinnett today, the reality is it would be a very close vote. especially as many more details would be nitpicked. The polling at local levels doesn't work as well. This issue in recent history has polled far better than it was voted on and that vote was non-binding, which means someone might more readily vote yes when they still harbor some concerns over unknown details. Many of which I have tried to address earlier in this thread.

If this is rushed to a vote today and it fails. In all likeliness that will put the issue to rest for the near future. Probably at least 5 years, if not 7 or 8 years. Timing is key.

Overall though, the county is extremely well managed and most of its leaders are in touch with their constituency.

And while less important to the discussion we are having, let's not forget the context of this article. This is caused from a developer wanting public investment on the table before he redevelops a site. He isn't looking out for Gwinnettians, as much as he is trying to maximize value of his holdings at the right time.

Sweeping accusations? Nope. Pointing out the obvious about the disconnect between the elected officials and the constituency requesting a vote. Yep. The school board, the day-to-day operations of the county government, and the extensive park system has nothing to do with this topic. Those diversionary and red herrings to this conversation. No, you are overanalyzing something that quite simple.

You need to take a step back and realize that something as obvious as this and attempt over-complicate by explaining bad leadership on the Gwinnett County Commission only causes more tension, derision, confusion, and even more division as a result. I can discern what is going on quick well, but it's obvious you attempting to defend something that if it passes then it passes and if fails then it fails. Overanalyzing is one of the many shortcomings of many in government, on this board, and real life. It's the body politic, and just like many other areas this place has it problems and flaws...

[cwkimbro]

Originally Posted by jero23

Sweeping accusations? Nope. Pointing out the obvious about the disconnect between the elected officials and the constituency requesting a vote. Yep. The school board, the day-to-day operations of the county government, and the extensive park system has nothing to do with this topic. Those diversionary and red herrings to this conversation. No, you are overanalyzing something that quite simple.

You need to take a step back and realize that something as obvious as this and attempt over-complicate by explaining bad leadership on the Gwinnett County Commission only causes more tension, derision, confusion, and even more division as a result. I can discern what is going on quick well, but it's obvious you attempting to defend something that if it passes then it passes and if fails then it fails. Overanalyzing is one of the many shortcomings of many in government, on this board, and real life. It's the body politic, and just like many other areas this place has it problems and flaws...

Yet I live here and all those suppose tension doesn't seem to exist.

And yes, you questioned how well Gwinnett county was managed overall and questioned how much the leadership connected to their constituency's interest over a mere single issue that would easily be a divisive one.

These items above have EVERYTHING to do with the topic of how well Gwinnett's leaders are in touch with their constituencies.If you think otherwise, you're blind.... or perhaps trying to argue your way out of this. Get a shovel if you want to keep digging.

[jero23]

Originally Posted by cwkimbro

Yet I live here and all those suppose tension doesn't seem to exist.

And yes, you questioned how well Gwinnett county was managed overall and questioned how much the leadership connected to their constituency's interest over a mere single issue that would easily be a divisive one.

These items above have EVERYTHING to do with the topic of how well Gwinnett's leaders are in touch with their constituencies.If you think otherwise, you're blind.... or perhaps trying to argue your way out of this. Get a shovel if you want to keep digging.

Yes, I did question the embolden because it matters. If they don't allow the people to decide for themselves then that is disconnect.

The only one that needs something is a rope because you were already in the hole that you dug for yourself and right now. I'll let you hang yourself with that rope while you are at it because the rest of what you are saying is bloviating over nothing...

This basically became a conversation about nothing because at this point. I said what I have said and good reason to say that...

Case closed.

[jsvh]

Integral Group LLC, Cushman & Wakefield, make stunning pitch for General Electric headquarters - Atlanta Business Chronicle

... Last week, Bloomberg News reported GE may talk to real estate company Tishman Speyer soon about its new tower in Buckhead, Three Alliance Center. This week, the ownership of Atlantic Station, the mixed-use project in Midtown, released images of what the GE headquarters would look like at its project.

Not to be outdone, Integral's images are stunning. The developer shows two buildings with GE’s name and logo towering over a 145-acre mix of office buildings, street-level retail, residential towers, and a MARTA transit station...

Would be a big win for that booming area. I think GE would be a good fit there.

[ATLTJL]

Wow, that would really do a lot to revamp that area.

Not sure if being close to all the industrial warehouses, train tracks, etc. of Doraville would matter to GE, but they are there if they need them. If this spot gets GE and a film studio, it could definitely pump new blood into the area. The biggest fight they will have is being a bit disconnected from other Fortune 500 companies and the business community that is in Buckhead, but this gives them an opportunity to make their own true campus and expands opportunities for workers to get to work by car while also allowing travel by rail.

It's an interesting concept.

[cqholt]

If GE is interested in tapping the tech sector that is blossoming in Midtown, Doraville is further away than Buckhead, but it is still next to a MARTA station.

[ATLTJL]

My guess is a lot of this will come down to cost.

For example, NCR is making a high profile move to midtown and constructing a tower to be closer to the tech community...which it will be.

But time is going to be the judge of whether taking on the massive expense of doing so actually pays dividends in the end. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, we'll see.

Which side of the fence GE decides to gamble on will be interesting to see. It looks like GE currently has a suburban, sprawling complex in Connecticut. We'll see if they feel like changing that.

[jsvh]

Time running out as GM plant project stays stuck in neutral

[wasel]

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