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Old 09-04-2015, 12:10 PM
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The Clifton Corridor needs transit, we cannot just give up on it because it's going to be expensive or not easy. This is the largest employment center that does not have rail transit or freeway access.
Well we shouldn't do a bad system.

It needs a serious look at grade separated HRT, not a light rail stub that forces transfers and travels in traffic.
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Old 09-04-2015, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Just outside of McDonough, Georgia
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Well we shouldn't do a bad system.

It needs a serious look at grade separated HRT, not a light rail stub that forces transfers and travels in traffic.
Exactly. Still, gotta watch out for those NIMBY homeowners who will complain about "noise" (never mind the fact that there's already a freight rail line right next door).

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Old 09-04-2015, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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Exactly. Still, gotta watch out for those NIMBY homeowners who will complain about "noise" (never mind the fact that there's already a freight rail line right next door).

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Sadly, I'd think the NIMBYism from HRT would kill the project with lawsuits. Which would cost even more money getting no where.
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Old 09-05-2015, 04:49 PM
 
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Exactly. Still, gotta watch out for those NIMBY homeowners who will complain about "noise" (never mind the fact that there's already a freight rail line right next door).

- skbl17
Can't really fault them too much. Heavy rail IS noisy and much more frequent than regular trains, will hurt their property values--and really---the folks that really benefit the most from this are folks from counties that don't even have a MARTA sales tax--THEY are the ones with ridiculous commutes! I still think that heavy rail is probably the best answer--but sometimes even the *best* answer hurts some folks--and it is kind of jerky for folks that are not being asked to make the sacrifices, not to at least acknowledge that fact.
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Old 09-05-2015, 05:40 PM
 
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Can't really fault them too much. Heavy rail IS noisy and much more frequent than regular trains, will hurt their property values--
Some people don't seem to care. You've got all those folks sitting up there in their million dollar homes in places like Peachtree Park and Ridgedale with MARTA trains blasting right through their backyards.

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Old 09-06-2015, 06:28 AM
 
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The corridor's projected ridership doesn't even support the financials for light rail let alone heavy rail. Get real ladies.

-DirkMcGirt out
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Old 09-06-2015, 07:43 AM
 
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The corridor's projected ridership doesn't even support the financials for light rail let alone heavy rail. Get real ladies.

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CDC, Emory, Emory Hospital, Egelston, Emory Point -which is at half capacity for retail and residential--but the new development is just now going on line--and more, AND the area is still growing--but increasing the vehicle capacity of the roads is virtually impossible. Do the "financials" support total gridlock?
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Old 09-06-2015, 10:28 AM
 
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CDC, Emory, Emory Hospital, Egelston, Emory Point -which is at half capacity for retail and residential--but the new development is just now going on line--and more, AND the area is still growing--but increasing the vehicle capacity of the roads is virtually impossible. Do the "financials" support total gridlock?
Maybe punish those developments for being built in stupid locations or let them contribute to the bill. If Emory and CDC want to contribute half of the cost out of their budgets, sure. It starts to makes more sense, but now it doesn't.

'Hey, I have an idea, lets continue to develop in an area that isn't easily accessible! Oh but don't worry, the taxpayers will finance a $1.2+ billion light rail line for 5,000 new mass transit riders.'

Do some research like DikrMcGirt has. Education is valuable.

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Old 09-06-2015, 06:29 PM
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Maybe punish those developments for being built in stupid locations or let them contribute to the bill. If Emory and CDC want to contribute half of the cost out of their budgets, sure. It starts to makes more sense, but now it doesn't.

'Hey, I have an idea, lets continue to develop in an area that isn't easily accessible! Oh but don't worry, the taxpayers will finance a $1.2+ billion light rail line for 5,000 new mass transit riders.'

Do some research like DikrMcGirt has. Education is valuable.

-DirkMcGirt out
Its also about providing people access to the jobs that exist in the area.

Now I don't think light rail as proposed does a very good job of that, but we need to figure out a way to better connect all those jobs to our system.
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Old 09-06-2015, 08:13 PM
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Can't really fault them too much. Heavy rail IS noisy and much more frequent than regular trains, will hurt their property values--and really---the folks that really benefit the most from this are folks from counties that don't even have a MARTA sales tax--THEY are the ones with ridiculous commutes! I still think that heavy rail is probably the best answer--but sometimes even the *best* answer hurts some folks--and it is kind of jerky for folks that are not being asked to make the sacrifices, not to at least acknowledge that fact.
There's no doubt it hurts property values. And its difficult to get agencies to compensate for that.
But if you get compensation and a proper sound wall, it really doesn't create that much noise. When we moved here, I looked at one house with MARTA running by the back yard and I looked at a house very close to I-75. And I lived once with a freight train running right behind my house.

Now if you don't get a proper sound wall, its a totally different story. There was one neighborhood in Houston that objected to the appropriate height sound wall due to aesthetics with a new overpass. And it sounded like airplanes in that neighborhood afterwards. I'm sure they regretted that decision.
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