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Old 09-16-2015, 09:18 PM
 
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If I owned a property within 6 blocks of any of the proposed sites I would jump for joy. When the Morristown line in NJ started its direct service to Manhattan, property values jumped about 30% within a year.
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Old 09-16-2015, 11:05 PM
 
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If I owned a property within 6 blocks of any of the proposed sites I would jump for joy. When the Morristown line in NJ started its direct service to Manhattan, property values jumped about 30% within a year.
The folks around Emory CDC are not the ones that will benefit from this--they already live near the important destination (Manhattan?)--the folks that will see the benefit are mostly out in the suburbs (NJ?) with the sucky commutes--but most of them don't even live in counties that support MARTA--no trains in their backyards, and no 1% sales tax to support transit. I do think that heavy-rail makes sense for the area--but there there seems to be a certain unfairness to who would be paying for it, and who will really be benefitting from it.
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Old 09-17-2015, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Atlanta - Midtown
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The folks around Emory CDC are not the ones that will benefit from this--they already live near the important destination (Manhattan?)--the folks that will see the benefit are mostly out in the suburbs (NJ?) with the sucky commutes--but most of them don't even live in counties that support MARTA--no trains in their backyards, and no 1% sales tax to support transit. I do think that heavy-rail makes sense for the area--but there there seems to be a certain unfairness to who would be paying for it, and who will really be benefitting from it.
Yes, but that's assuming the people around Emory CDC are all working in that area. We all know that in metro-Atlanta, people living close to their area of employment isn't always a given.

I'm sure there's a large percentage of people living in this corridor that commute to one of the major job centers located directly off a Marta rail line (Downtown, Midtown, Buckhead, Perimeter, etc). While I wouldn't call the Emory CDC area NJ (no reason to be mean ), I certainly would compare the rail-connected job centers previously listed as the "Manhattan" or important destination.
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Old 09-17-2015, 09:07 AM
 
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The fact remains that this is the largest employment center without rail transit or freeway access. Freeway access and widening the arterial roads are out of the question, that leaves the only other option as high quality transit access in the form of rail or BRT. I am sure a freeway extension would cost the same or more as the Clifton Corridor estimate.
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Old 09-17-2015, 09:21 AM
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The fact remains that this is the largest employment center without rail transit or freeway access. Freeway access and widening the arterial roads are out of the question, that leaves the only other option as high quality transit access in the form of rail or BRT. I am sure a freeway extension would cost the same or more as the Clifton Corridor estimate.
This is an important point. Its a major employment center with really poor access. Emory University is not going to move. Emory Hospital and Children's Hospital aren't moving-they have too much invested in infrastructure. We don't want CDC to move.

Widening some arterials (Briarcliff, LaVista, Haygood) and adding left turn lanes isn't out of the question, but that would have limits. And they are already awful.
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Old 09-17-2015, 09:39 AM
 
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This is an important point. Its a major employment center with really poor access. Emory University is not going to move. Emory Hospital and Children's Hospital aren't moving-they have too much invested in infrastructure. We don't want CDC to move.

Widening some arterials (Briarcliff, LaVista, Haygood) and adding left turn lanes isn't out of the question, but that would have limits. And they are already awful.
Briarcliff should be at a maximum 4 lanes to Clairemont, with protected left turn lanes at signalized intersections.
LaVista should be at a maximum 4 lanes, with protected left turn lanes at signalized intersections.
Both are state roads, so it is GDOT's responsibility to widen them.
Haygood cuts thru campus, it should remain a low speed road.
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Old 09-17-2015, 10:13 AM
 
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Widen roads isn't going to work there. Plus the homes there don't want it.
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Old 09-17-2015, 01:29 PM
 
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Yes, but that's assuming the people around Emory CDC are all working in that area. We all know that in metro-Atlanta, people living close to their area of employment isn't always a given.

I'm sure there's a large percentage of people living in this corridor that commute to one of the major job centers located directly off a Marta rail line (Downtown, Midtown, Buckhead, Perimeter, etc). While I wouldn't call the Emory CDC area NJ (no reason to be mean ), I certainly would compare the rail-connected job centers previously listed as the "Manhattan" or important destination.
The post that I was replying to stated that residents should be "jumping for joy" due to an increase in property values due to MARTA going through Emory neighborhoods--which was based on a NJ-Manhattan comparison. I doubt that property values in Manhattan went up due to increased access to a town in NJ--and I doubt that this is going to help home values in the Emory area either. This project is designed to increase access to the Emory-CDC job center--and the Emory neighborhoods--which is a good thing--but, really Emory, the Feds, and other metro counties should be footing more of the costs/contributing to MARTA, as opposed to just Fulton/Dekalb/Clayton counties. Heck, maybe it would be better for Dekalb if this doesn't happen--it might inspire some folks to move back to the Stone Mountain-Clarkston area to have a less awful commute!
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Old 09-17-2015, 01:34 PM
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Briarcliff should be at a maximum 4 lanes to Clairemont, with protected left turn lanes at signalized intersections.
LaVista should be at a maximum 4 lanes, with protected left turn lanes at signalized intersections.
Both are state roads, so it is GDOT's responsibility to widen them.
Haygood cuts thru campus, it should remain a low speed road.
Briarcliff and LaVista are largely two lane roads with no left turn lanes.

Haygood is planned to be widened and used to divert traffic from lower Clifton (at some point in the future). It doesn't cut through campus, but skirts the fringe with Druid Hills HS and a church on one side and Emory University property on the other side.
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Old 09-17-2015, 01:39 PM
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The post that I was replying to stated that residents should be "jumping for joy" due to an increase in property values due to MARTA going through Emory neighborhoods--which was based on a NJ-Manhattan comparison. I doubt that property values in Manhattan went up due to increased access to a town in NJ--and I doubt that this is going to help home values in the Emory area either. This project is designed to increase access to the Emory-CDC job center--and the Emory neighborhoods--which is a good thing--but, really Emory, the Feds, and other metro counties should be footing more of the costs/contributing to MARTA, as opposed to just Fulton/Dekalb/Clayton counties. Heck, maybe it would be better for Dekalb if this doesn't happen--it might inspire some folks to move back to the Stone Mountain-Clarkston area to have a less awful commute!
I take it you've never driven from Clarkston or Stone Mountain to town! They have some of the worst commutes in the area not involving GA400. Largely because of the Emory area congestion.
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