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Old 03-02-2017, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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Offset by entering into a long term for the existing property and put it to better use and generate more tax dollars.
I honestly do not understand how you are against adding to Brookhaven's tax digest, which is currently overdependent on residential property taxes (that's why they have been annexing commercial areas) It'll better buffer Brookhaven against any downturn in the housing market and not have to drastically cut services. But Brookhaven hasn't been a city long enough to learn that.
I would, honestly, not be surprised if Brookhaven had a bad case of the 'Growth Ponzi Scheme' going on. It would not surprise me one bit if the cit was not actually financially sustainable, as most suburban-built towns are these days.
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Old 03-02-2017, 01:27 PM
 
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Glad cqholt owned up to the whole, "oh, i didn't know an apartment complex was slated for there" thing. Lets just gloss over the fact that he doesn't have the facts, what any good armchair QB does.

You and fourth making good use of those city planning degrees?
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Old 03-02-2017, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Glad cqholt owned up to the whole, "oh, i didn't know an apartment complex was slated for there" thing. Lets just gloss over the fact that he doesn't have the facts, what any good armchair QB does.

You and fourth making good use of those city planning degrees?
Please provide link of which apartment complex you are thinking I am referring to? Aren't you the one saying there is too many to keep track of?
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Old 03-02-2017, 02:36 PM
 
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Please provide link of which apartment complex you are thinking I am referring to? Aren't you the one saying there is too many to keep track of?
You aren't referring to it. That is the point.


Cholt: I mean c'mon man, brookhaven needs to become more dense. Just look at that tax office. Underutilized space.

Golfer: You mean the parcel that is slated to become 169 new apartments and town homes?

Cholt: Change subject.

You parade around in this thread like you're omnipotent in the ways of city planning. But then you don't have the most basic of facts at your disposal.
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Old 03-03-2017, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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You aren't referring to it. That is the point.


Cholt: I mean c'mon man, brookhaven needs to become more dense. Just look at that tax office. Underutilized space.

Golfer: You mean the parcel that is slated to become 169 new apartments and town homes?

Cholt: Change subject.

You parade around in this thread like you're omnipotent in the ways of city planning. But then you don't have the most basic of facts at your disposal.
Glad to see that parcel is being developed for a better usage, but you should be glad to see townhomes and homeowners.
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Old 03-03-2017, 09:43 AM
 
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What I'm not getting is why people think it's such a great idea to slap up a bunch of builder grade apartments in the middle of a nice community that doesn't want them.

It's not like these developers are civic heros either. Few are in it for the long haul and most are eager to get some tax breaks and then flip the project to an investor as soon as possible. A lot if not most of the tenants are probably short termers, too.
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Old 03-03-2017, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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What I'm not getting is why people think it's such a great idea to slap up a bunch of builder grade apartments in the middle of a nice community that doesn't want them.

It's not like these developers are civic heros either. Few are in it for the long haul and most are eager to get some tax breaks and then flip the project to an investor as soon as possible. A lot if not most of the tenants are probably short termers, too.
  1. To keep the city from suffering from the Growth Ponzi Scheme's end
  2. To allow more people to move to the metro in general
  3. To allow development specifically near high-capacity transit
  4. To support lifestyles that do not require a car for every day activities
  5. To reduce the reliance on energy inefficient methods of living (single, detatched homes, personal cars, etc.)

For the nth time, Brookhaven is not some exurban town with a historic downtown that they wish to 'preserve' the character of against evil developers. They are a city in the core of a massive metro, which is expecting incredible growth over the next few decades. Nearly all of our problems can be attributed, in some way, to our historically car-dependent method of development.

In a time of moving away from that, there are some who still believe that it's the right course to maintain the space expensive, and energy inefficient style of building in the core of the nation's 9th largest metro area.

This, in turn, creates spin-off problems for anyone around them, not to mention themselves.

They are not in this on their own. They are not making decisions only for themselves. To say 'no more' is simply a snub to all around them who must bear the burden of those who they refuse to take on, while dealing with their own growth as well. Especially considering the high-capacity transit station that is in the best interest of the entire metro to develop as densely around as possible.

To want to halt all new development, especially around the station, is an act of selfishness that the metro as a whole must pay for.
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Old 03-03-2017, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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The issue isn't Brookhaven wanting to maintain some kind of "rural town feel" it's a matter of infrastructure. We can go on and on and on forever about how this new development would have been on top of a heavy rail station with direct access to three major employment areas. But the reality of the situation is, most of the people that would move in, will drive to work, and everywhere else they go; most of the people that will visit/work there, will drive to this development. That's the cold, hard reality of the situation and no amount of "good feelings" toward transit is going to help!
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Old 03-03-2017, 11:15 AM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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The issue isn't Brookhaven wanting to maintain some kind of "rural town feel" it's a matter of infrastructure. We can go on and on and on forever about how this new development would have been on top of a heavy rail station with direct access to three major employment areas. But the reality of the situation is, most of the people that would move in, will drive to work, and everywhere else they go; most of the people that will visit/work there, will drive to this development. That's the cold, hard reality of the situation and no amount of "good feelings" toward transit is going to help!
So what's the answer then?
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Old 03-03-2017, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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So what's the answer then?
We can either embark on a massive infrastructure overhaul of Brookhaven. Or we can leave them alone. That's it for now.

Once we have far better transit in and around the city as well as into the suburbs, we can revisit this as then more people will actually be able to take transit. The streetcar network will help a lot. For Brookhaven, something else that would help considerably is commuter rail service into Gwinnett possibly as far as Gainesville through Norcross and Duluth. Even then, there will be considerable traffic to and from Perimeter and Alpharetta, and I don't know what the solution there is.
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