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Old 09-29-2015, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Vinings
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Not every stop can have off board fare payment, it just doesn't make financial sense to invest all that infrastructure in the machines, when things are trending toward smartphone payment.
Alright, so no machines at the bus stops, maybe. That would save money. But still no Breeze card purchasing or refilling on the bus itself. Just a simple quick tap to board. You'd have to purhcase a Breeze card at the train stations or elsewhere, then you just keep that permanently in your wallet, and re-fill it using your smart phone. Or just use the Breeze card app, mobile payment style. Bluetooth or RFID or whatever that is. Tap your phone or your card.

I just think it's lame for everyone (including cars on the road) to sit there and wait for someone to make a purchase on a machine.

Or hell, just make transit free. Let's fund it with taxes instead of fares.
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Old 09-29-2015, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Alright, so no machines at the bus stops, maybe. That would save money. But still no Breeze card purchasing or refilling on the bus itself. Just a simple quick tap to board. You'd have to purhcase a Breeze card at the train stations or elsewhere, then you just keep that permanently in your wallet, and re-fill it using your smart phone. Or just use the Breeze card app, mobile payment style. Bluetooth or RFID or whatever that is. Tap your phone or your card.

I just think it's lame for everyone (including cars on the road) to sit there and wait for someone to make a purchase on a machine.

Or hell, just make transit free. Let's fund it with taxes instead of fares.
Move the machine behind the yellow line, then the bus can keep driving.
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Old 09-29-2015, 12:01 PM
 
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BRT is fine but I am not all that gung ho about it.

Why not just increase the frequency and number of regular buses? I am more concerned about the accessibility of public transit than how fast it goes. If I'm in a hurry I'm going to drive anyway.
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Old 09-29-2015, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Saigon
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If I'm in a hurry I'm going to drive anyway.
Or take Uber
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Old 09-29-2015, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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The more frequent bus routes would be nice to be added to the map, but creating a nice map that easily conveys info to event the newest rider is difficult and takes research. We don't want to end up confusing like MTA's map with overlapping labels, lines, etc.
It would need to be a balance, yes. But if London can map 11 HRT lines, plus commuter and regional rail, plus LRT lines, I think we can easily pull off 4 HRT lines, plus current and future streetcar and LRT lines, plus high-frequency bus routes. The key is small font, thin lines, and very small indentations for non-transfer stations.



Another thing. Many transit systems that don't have very many lines have nearly linear maps in the trains that show the correct order and connections of stations. They sacrifice being anywhere nearly geographically accurate for having a height of just a few inches. (I wish I could find an example of one.) Those could probably fit inside MARTA trains with ease.

EDIT: Here. The long red sign in the upper-right corner.




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Old 09-30-2015, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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It would need to be a balance, yes. But if London can map 11 HRT lines, plus commuter and regional rail, plus LRT lines, I think we can easily pull off 4 HRT lines, plus current and future streetcar and LRT lines, plus high-frequency bus routes. The key is small font, thin lines, and very small indentations for non-transfer stations.



Another thing. Many transit systems that don't have very many lines have nearly linear maps in the trains that show the correct order and connections of stations. They sacrifice being anywhere nearly geographically accurate for having a height of just a few inches. (I wish I could find an example of one.) Those could probably fit inside MARTA trains with ease.

EDIT: Here. The long red sign in the upper-right corner.


The best example of linear, in railcar maps I have seen is MTA's R160 railcars; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R160_(...ty_Subway_car). Maybe the MARTA's new rolling stock can have something similar.
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Old 09-30-2015, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Vinings
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It would need to be a balance, yes. But if London can map 11 HRT lines, plus commuter and regional rail, plus LRT lines, I think we can easily pull off 4 HRT lines, plus current and future streetcar and LRT lines, plus high-frequency bus routes. The key is small font, thin lines, and very small indentations for non-transfer stations.
Totally agreed.

In NYC, obviously all the lines on the subway map should be nothing but HRT trains. But Atlanta is a different scale, and the best transit solution for serving Atlanta is a mixed combo of all of these different types. So I think they should all be represented on the map. Maybe as 3 different thicknesses of lines (HRT/LRT/rapid bus), to represent the quality/speed of the service type.

I like cqholt's 'MARTA Rapid' name, for the limited stop enhanced bus service lines I envision (BRT-almost). They could call the lines R1, R2, R3, R4, etc.

MARTA Local bus would be the legacy, regular old bus style, which would not be represented on the map.

I'm going to work on my own map and put it in the "Design your own expansion" thread. But I really think that these Rapid style fixed permanent stop bus lines are the way to go for MARTA, in a hugely cost effective way, and could be implemented relatively quickly.

With the signal priority system to avoid red lights. But not in dedicated right of way for most of the routes, so not full BRT class.
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Old 10-01-2015, 11:12 AM
 
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Getting back to the original question, "Why is MARTA so controversial?"

It's stories like this: Passenger shot on MARTA bus in Atlanta | www.ajc.com
which cause many to be reluctant to ride MARTA.
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Old 10-01-2015, 11:49 AM
 
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Getting back to the original question, "Why is MARTA so controversial?"

It's stories like this: Passenger shot on MARTA bus in Atlanta | www.ajc.com
which cause many to be reluctant to ride MARTA.
Yet for every one person who is shot on a bus, there are dozens who are shot in cars, homes, parking lots, shopping centers, on sidewalks, office buildings, bars, schools, and just about everywhere else imaginable.
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Old 10-01-2015, 12:06 PM
 
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Yeah, traveling via car is much more dangerous. People just hype the danger on transit / MARTA. It's like: "I heard that bridges collapse sometimes. I will just swim across the shark-filled tank to be safe."
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