Urban Institute predicts MASSIVE growth for Atlanta through 2030 (Sandy Springs, Marietta: home, buy)

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by bu2

You do it just like every other city in the country does it. People on CD here don't seem to understand it.

You have to condemn property, which may or may not have a structure. In some places its more feasible than others.

Making the argument that we shouldn't do it (for any number of reasons) is fair. Making the argument that it is politically or financially difficult is fair. Making the argument that it can't be done is simply wrong.

Looking at Midtown, condemning the high value property and tear down valuable structure is not an option. So we must work with what we have and encourage alternative transportation by making walking and cycling safe thru Complete Streets Program and investing in transit.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Looking at Midtown, condemning the high value property and tear down valuable structure is not an option. So we must work with what we have and encourage alternative transportation by making walking and cycling safe thru Complete Streets Program and investing in transit.

Downtown and midtown to the east wouldn't really benefit. Places in Buckhead (that they haven't made Lennox Road 4 lanes consistently towards 85 is just ridiculous) could as well as the northern part of midtown (depending on how you define "midtown."). The West side of Atlanta and some places in the south side could have added lanes. And left turn lanes could and should be added or extended in many places.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by bu2

Downtown and midtown to the east wouldn't really benefit. Places in Buckhead (that they haven't made Lennox Road 4 lanes consistently towards 85 is just ridiculous) could as well as the northern part of midtown (depending on how you define "midtown."). The West side of Atlanta and some places in the south side could have added lanes. And left turn lanes could and should be added or extended in many places.

Lenox Rd appears to have the ROW to expand to 4 lanes, with a left turn lane at signalized intersections.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Lenox Rd appears to have the ROW to expand to 4 lanes, with a left turn lane at signalized intersections.

There's vacant land to get ROW. It appears they made some developers donate ROW and did not require it of others. But there is enough setback even if some brick fences have to be moved and landscaping has to come down. As bad as it is (and the impact on the mall and the area offices), I just don't understand why it hasn't been widened (I've been stuck in bumper to bumper traffic often enough to observe).

[chiatldal]

Metro Atlanta 2040 land use plan, think of it as like Metro wide zoning,


Regional Centers these are largest employment areas in Metro Atlanta

The Airport, Fulton Industrual area, Dubbs.

But Also Downtown, Midtown, Buckhead, Cumberland, The Perimeter Center, Cobb Town Center, Gwinnett Village, Gwinnett place. North Fulton. These areas are planned for redevelopment, cityscape improvement, more transit options, and high density.

Most of the pass 50 years Metro was primarily separating employment areas and residential. Which increase the necessity of driving more.



North Fulton CID development plan


Conceptual plan for Gwinnett place


Gwinnett Village


Station Communities in Cobb, N. Fulton, Gwinett follow along Regional Employment Corridors...


Regional Town center like Decatur, Marietta are built in tradition urban layout that can support more density. Many of them are underutilized.

Town centers are smaller Downtowns or redvelopments like what happening Smyrna




Establish Suburbs are very limited because their Establish, the isn't much to do other than redevelop retail again similar to what Smyna is going. The idea is to take stress off them by creating more sustainable communities else where. But with that being said leaders are looking at road improvements or whatever is need.

In Developing Suburbs. it's a tight rope encourage better built communities, but at the same large growth is not encourage.

All images I linked to sources on previous page
http://www.city-data.com/forum/atlan...atlanta-7.html

[chiatldal]

This floated around 2012 as proposal for light rail.

But it follows along everything I just posted above,


Since Atlanta is not grided, developers have to adapt to Atlanta unique situation. the idea is to increase residential near jobs,.... "Regional Centers" are the major employment center in Metro Atlanta, And many of which can be Central Business District. So it's best not to just think of intown Atlanta, as the ends all that needs to develop denser and more urban. Intown Atlanta and The W region below is Atlanta true core.

For The sake of the Region "Regional Center" of Cumberland, Cobb town center, Perimeter Center, North Fulton, Gwinnett Village, Gwinnett Place, have to redevelop and infill.




Fulton Industrial area as well as The Airport are Regional Centers also, they too have CID's, that want to add mix use residential developments around there districts. But obliviously it's to a smaller scale, But never the less they focus on beatification and transportation improvements.

FBID |Master Plan

About the Atlanta Aerotropolis Aerotropolis? | Atlanta Aerotropolis Alliance | Atlanta Aerotropolis Alliance
http://cdn.patch.com/users/367043/20...2661f1fb0f.jpg

Downtown, Midtown, Buckhead. Cumberland, Cobb town center, Perimeter Center, North Fulton, Gwinnett Village, Gwinnett Place, Fulton Industrial, Hartsfield-Jackson are going to have a major make over.

[chiatldal]

If we are going to talk about growth I think it's makes sense if we actually talk about the regions objectives, if you understand the overall plan, projects and their location would make a lot more sense.

• Porsche HQ will be near the Airport, this fits there agenda to infill/redevelop around the airport
  
  
• Cumberland is using Sun trust park as opportunity to build a mix use development...
  
  
• Atlanta Media Campus & Studios being develop in Gwinnett Village will be the largest film studio outside of Cali

Non of this is random

Atlanta Media Campus & Studios | The Jacoby Group

[netdragon]

Originally Posted by chiatldal

Metro Atlanta 2040 land use plan, think of it as like Metro wide zoning,

illegal

Originally Posted by chiatldal

North Fulton CID development plan

Too modernist in approach, too planned, too segregated in use.

Originally Posted by chiatldal

Conceptual plan for Gwinnett place

Gwinnett Village

Better. Cumberland also produced one of these back about 10 years ago. Then the stadium came along.

Originally Posted by chiatldal

Town centers are smaller Downtowns or redvelopments like what happening Smyrna

Not really sure how what's happening in Smyrna is small. Smyrna will be a regional town center like Marietta. Groups like ARC don't decide that. The market does. Smyrna is convenient, so much so that no one can really stop it from doing what they want to do, regardless of how much they want Marietta to stay the center of Cobb. Marietta will always be a nice place to live and a decet commercial area. Smyrna/Vinings/Cumberland will be the commercial center.

Have you seen Belmont Hills going up? Jonquil Village is no slacker as well. Btw, Smyrna is about to pass Marietta in population and definitely in downtown density. What Smyrna needs to do is "complete the grid" in some areas, especially at the Concord Rd/S Cobb intersection. Smyrna also needs to figure out how to attract office development with the heavy competition of Cumberland and Vinings next door.

Originally Posted by chiatldal

Establish Suburbs are very limited because their Establish, the isn't much to do other than redevelop retail again similar to what Smyna is going. The idea is to take stress off them by creating more sustainable communities else where. But with that being said leaders are looking at road improvements or whatever is need.

Not a lot of infrastructure investment is needed in established suburbs, but when it is it's very expensive. Look at the $40 million Windy Hill Smyrna boulevard plan, for instance. That's not including the Windy Hill re-alignment and widening happening closer to I-75 just outside Smyrna city limits near the Braves development. Since Smyrna will probably be the densest part of the metro soon ignoring Peachtree Street, transit investment will get expensive as well.


This study didn't take into consideration wildcards, such as 92 being turned into a highway from Hiram to I-20. New regional town centers may emerge because of things like that.

[bu2]

The problem with all these town centers is that people change jobs. Moving, if you own, is not so easy or inexpensive.

There should be an effort to create multiple job centers, but not one in every town. It needs to be concentrated so you can effectively serve it with mass transit. A dozen or so major ones is good (downtown, Buckhead, Perimeter Center, Airport, Emory/CDC, Cumberland Galleria and a half dozen others). 60 or so job centers is not.

[netdragon]

Originally Posted by bu2

The problem with all these town centers is that people change jobs. Moving, if you own, is not so easy or inexpensive.

There should be an effort to create multiple job centers, but not one in every town. It needs to be concentrated so you can effectively serve it with mass transit. A dozen or so major ones is good (downtown, Buckhead, Perimeter Center, Airport, Emory/CDC, Cumberland Galleria and a half dozen others). 60 or so job centers is not.

Transit between the job centers fixes that. Then you just commute to your closest one and hop the trains to the others.