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Old 09-11-2015, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Just outside of McDonough, Georgia
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I was referring to skbl17's assertion that BRT could legally replace the rail proposal.
Oh, believe me, I thought the same thing. Turns out, rail isn't part of the contract - "high-capacity transit" is. Legally, that could be anything that runs on a fixed guideway: BRT, LRT, HRT, commuter rail, heck, why not a maglev?

Of course, MARTA's not going to do that: there's a distinct expectation of rail in the county. But, if things go way, way south (like the economy crashes or something crazy like that,) and MARTA is forced to implement BRT, Clayton County can't drag the agency to court. Doesn't mean the voters will be happy, though.

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Old 09-11-2015, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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heck, why not a maglev?
You joke, but one of the interesting things about Cobb is there is a small company that has been pushing maglevs for a long time. They actually built a small test track between Austell and Powder Springs.
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Old 09-11-2015, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Oh, believe me, I thought the same thing. Turns out, rail isn't part of the contract - "high-capacity transit" is. Legally, that could be anything that runs on a fixed guideway: BRT, LRT, HRT, commuter rail, heck, why not a maglev?

Of course, MARTA's not going to do that: there's a distinct expectation of rail in the county. But, if things go way, way south (like the economy crashes or something crazy like that,) and MARTA is forced to implement BRT, Clayton County can't drag the agency to court. Doesn't mean the voters will be happy, though.

- skbl17
If BRT Is done right, with it's own lane, signal priority or even grade separation, in the extrme, it could give great service.
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Old 09-11-2015, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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You joke, but one of the interesting things about Cobb is there is a small company that has been pushing maglevs for a long time. They actually built a small test track between Austell and Powder Springs.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8337...!3m1!1e3?hl=en
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Old 09-11-2015, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Valdosta (Atlanta Native)
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BRT would also be a waste of taxpayer money as Morrow has already built a train station and Forest Park demolished businesses for the room to build a train station.
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Old 09-11-2015, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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No, it's too expensive when there is a cheaper solution that will more than adequately serve a greater number of people in Gwinnett County.
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Old 09-11-2015, 04:50 PM
 
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If BRT Is done right, with it's own lane, signal priority or even grade separation, in the extrme, it could give great service.
Why didn't they do this instead of the streetcar? Seems like they could've saved about $75 million doing this while producing faster service.

-DMG out
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Old 09-11-2015, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Why didn't they do this instead of the streetcar? Seems like they could've saved about $75 million doing this while producing faster service.

-DMG out
I'm not sure it would have been -that- much cheaper to be fair. If they created and built a grade separated path with full signal priorities for the buses (which they only did in small parts for the street car) it would have still been pricey.

The real reason for the street car isn't so it can be a streetcar over that one little route, it has more to do about future options and alignments. It is the downtown connecting segment to the Beltline, which is more prepped to become a rail alignment.
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Old 09-11-2015, 05:10 PM
 
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I'm not sure it would have been -that- much cheaper to be fair. If they created and built a grade separated path with full signal priorities for the buses (which they only did in small parts for the street car) it would have still been pricey.

The real reason for the street car isn't so it can be a streetcar over that one little route, it has more to do about future options and alignments. It is the downtown connecting segment to the Beltline, which is more prepped to become a rail alignment.
If this is the backbone from which the system branches out, why not at least give it it's own ROW. It wouldn't need to be grade separated. Give it exclusive ROW and signal priority and it could be effective. Now it is set up to be a permanent slow choke point on the system. The planning for this lacked both vision and common sense... which is rare. Normally when you get one, you forgo the other. IN this case, both were absent.
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Old 09-11-2015, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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If this is the backbone from which the system branches out, why not at least give it it's own ROW. It wouldn't need to be grade separated. Give it exclusive ROW and signal priority and it could be effective. Now it is set up to be a permanent slow choke point on the system. The planning for this lacked both vision and common sense... which is rare. Normally when you get one, you forgo the other. IN this case, both were absent.
They can still give it it's own ROW if Auburn and Edgewood became one-way against streetcar flow. Downtown would need some repainting, but it could be done. I agree that something needs to be decided about keeping the cars moving compared to traffic for this loop, and future expansions.
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