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Old 10-23-2015, 04:41 PM
 
Location: ATL -> HOU
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Yes! Geography of Nowhere is essential reading. I don't think Kunstler is overly harsh. He visited Atlanta in 2010, I believe. He was particularly scathing about the Portman zone downtown, but on point. That's really the worst part of downtown from an urbanism standpoint. He was kinder to Midtown and had nice words about Glenwood Park. But he seems to believe Atlanta is going to cease being a major city when air conditioning is no longer viable. And he does double-down on the belief we're heading toward a Mad Max style future (technologically, at least).
When is AC supposed to no longer be viable?
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Old 10-23-2015, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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When is AC supposed to no longer be viable?
If you've ever followed Kunstler, he thinks that we're running up against Peak Oil and we won't have enough energy for "wasteful" things like automobiles and air conditioning. He's not a big believer in solar, or wind, or nuclear (which we'll have a lot more of here in GA after 2019.) In less than 5 years, solar energy will be the cheapest form of energy available.

In short, he's wrong about a lot of things...lol.
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Old 10-23-2015, 04:52 PM
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Location: Atlanta
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And y'all don't hate on Kunstler - Geography of Nowhere made urbanism incredibly relatable to me. It was the first book I read on the concept...and I was hooked (as a layperson).

Actually it might have been The Long Emergency...I think I was researching Peak Oil and it led me there..
Sorry, Tryska - too late for me. I loathe him, despite several good books. He is a true Atlanta hater, in every possible way. I have read too much of his snarky crap over the years...

Nothing would make him happier than our decline into oblivion, and that goes for the rest of the South too.
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Old 10-23-2015, 04:58 PM
 
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Yes! Geography of Nowhere is essential reading. I don't think Kunstler is overly harsh. He visited Atlanta in 2010, I believe. He was particularly scathing about the Portman zone downtown, but on point. That's really the worst part of downtown from an urbanism standpoint. He was kinder to Midtown and had nice words about Glenwood Park. But he seems to believe Atlanta is going to cease being a major city when air conditioning is no longer viable. And he does double-down on the belief we're heading toward a Mad Max style future (technologically, at least).

So he's a little loony. But...you know that's why I picked East Point. It could be doable here. But I do see his point. Our Downtown is not built to cope without air conditioning. Like older cities. We knocked those buildings down.
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Old 10-23-2015, 05:03 PM
 
Location: ITP - City of Atlanta Proper
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This possibly the most elitist sentence I have ever read:

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Why someone would shop for an exquisitely detailed dress in a building where the fake-stone panels donít even align is beyond me.
Srsly?

I'm not mad he doesn't like Atlanta though. The fewer people like this in this town, the better. Our city might be a hot mess, but it is our hot mess and we like it very much.
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Old 10-23-2015, 05:05 PM
 
Location: ATL -> HOU
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If you've ever followed Kunstler, he thinks that we're running up against Peak Oil and we won't have enough energy for "wasteful" things like automobiles and air conditioning. He's not a big believer in solar, or wind, or nuclear (which we'll have a lot more of here in GA after 2019.) In less than 5 years, solar energy will be the cheapest form of energy available.

In short, he's wrong about a lot of things...lol.
Well then, yea. I'm not gonna hold my breath. I think the oil situation is more dire than people think, but saying we're going to have massive electricity dropoffs? Please.


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So he's a little loony. But...you know that's why I picked East Point. It could be doable here. But I do see his point. Our Downtown is not built to cope without air conditioning. Like older cities. We knocked those buildings down.
I think AC spoils a lot of people. My apartment here in PA doesn't have AC and just one month of summer here got me thinking about a new place to live next year. If I was told I could live anywhere but I'd have to go without AC, I'd be picking Alaska or parts of northern Europe.
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Old 10-23-2015, 05:10 PM
 
Location: ITP - City of Atlanta Proper
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If you've ever followed Kunstler, he thinks that we're running up against Peak Oil and we won't have enough energy for "wasteful" things like automobiles and air conditioning. He's not a big believer in solar, or wind, or nuclear (which we'll have a lot more of here in GA after 2019.) In less than 5 years, solar energy will be the cheapest form of energy available.

In short, he's wrong about a lot of things...lol.
That's my second biggest gripe with him, other than the Atlanta hate itself. He goes around talking about how urban cities are superior, and every city that isn't should be ashamed of themselves and bulldoze their way to being urban cities. At the same time he believes we're headed for the dark ages again. What exactly does he think will happen in a city like NYC without gasoline, electricity, or all the modern comforts. It would be an absolute hellhole...just like it was before all that stuff came along.

My biggest problem with him is that while he's throwing shade at Atlanta, he lives in some small podunk town in Upstate New York. SMH
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Old 10-23-2015, 05:40 PM
 
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Well then, yea. I'm not gonna hold my breath. I think the oil situation is more dire than people think, but saying we're going to have massive electricity dropoffs? Please.




I think AC spoils a lot of people. My apartment here in PA doesn't have AC and just one month of summer here got me thinking about a new place to live next year. If I was told I could live anywhere but I'd have to go without AC, I'd be picking Alaska or parts of northern Europe.
haha. Short growing Season though. Make it Alaska and by the Water!
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Old 10-23-2015, 05:44 PM
 
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That's my second biggest gripe with him, other than the Atlanta hate itself. He goes around talking about how urban cities are superior, and every city that isn't should be ashamed of themselves and bulldoze their way to being urban cities. At the same time he believes we're headed for the dark ages again. What exactly does he think will happen in a city like NYC without gasoline, electricity, or all the modern comforts. It would be an absolute hellhole...just like it was before all that stuff came along.

My biggest problem with him is that while he's throwing shade at Atlanta, he lives in some small podunk town in Upstate New York. SMH

Oh...I guess I didn't get into him enough to have him become annoying. I hate that.

The impression I had of him was more about making towns, or even Villages, even in the urban areas and not looking at things in a monolithic way. Like the bear bones are there. Now make it work on a human scale. near transit.

I pretty much stopped there and went with it.
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Old 10-23-2015, 05:55 PM
 
Location: ATL -> HOU
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haha. Short growing Season though. Make it Alaska and by the Water!
SE Alaska for sure. Lots of rain but I can handle it. Juneau here I come...
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