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Old 11-02-2015, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Two infill stations for $450M is one for $225M. Half that is $112.5M. So even if we did get a half price infill station somehow, it still would be more than the Streetcar cost.

I think people really fail to realize how inexpensive the streetcar is to build.

A little more investment there would go a long way to getting it to a usable network in size.
Especially since phase 1 built the Vehicle Maintenance Facility and will not need another one until the network grows by a lot.
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Old 11-02-2015, 09:09 AM
 
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You are working with unproven hypotheses BajanYankee.

I'm not sure if MARTA has put together a detailed enough estimate of the proposed Emory stations, but that would be where I would start in such a calculation you proposed
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Old 11-02-2015, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Vinings
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Infill stations are great and will help for some areas, but ultimately our train system is a plus sign. So locations and neighborhoods not on the plus sign need some other kind of rapid transit, besides just a regular bus.
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Old 11-02-2015, 09:20 AM
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That is because new riders and visitors are less inclined to ride a bus. Research has shown that rubber-tired buses make new riders feel less confident that the bus will adhere to the route, crazy I know. Also, let us not forget the TIGER grants are also about economic development and no one can deny the positive impact the streetcar has had on development in the corridor.
As far as an app, never much needed and I am not sure what is taking the city so long. I mean the streetcar stops aren't even shown in Google Maps at this point.
As far as Plan B for getting an extension, Atlanta Streetcar is going with FTA's Small Starts program to get a grant for the extension to the BeltLine. FTA - New Starts/Small Starts - Small Starts
Its very easy to deny that the streetcar caused development.

That area was already starting to re-develop. Its impossible to tell if that all would have happened without it.
And most studies show that these things merely re-direct investment, not create new investment.
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Old 11-02-2015, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Maybe they only have a half hour commute, but that half hour is spent going only a few miles that should take a few minutes.
Atlanta leads the nation in VMT so I doubt many people are only driving a few miles to work.

Workers with Commutes of 20 Minutes or Less

Los Angeles - 529,540 (30.1%)
Houston - 366,235 (34.7%)
Chicago - 246,763 (20.6%)
Dallas - 209,722 (36.0%)
Manhattan - 189,322 (23.0%)
Philadelphia - 157,843 (25.5%)
San Francisco - 109,822 (24.5%)
Seattle - 108,791 (30.6%)
Boston - 87,437 (26.8%)
Washington - 82,629 (25.3%)
Atlanta - 74,534 (37.3%)
Miami - 59,942 (30.3%)

Atlantans have the shortest commutes among workers of the country's largest cities. Most people would probably be surprised that Angelenos have a shorter commute than Manhattanites.
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Old 11-02-2015, 09:25 AM
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Would you mind sourcing that? It would help to know if this study was made to include time spent in rush hour or not.

Besides that, the incentive is simply not driving. There are plenty who don't want to drive, or who can't for various reasons. The better you make your transit network, the more people who choose that. Maybe they only have a half hour commute, but that half hour is spent going only a few miles that should take a few minutes.
Judging from the Houston and Dallas numbers (Houston has nearly twice people as many with the same %), this survey is for the city only. DFW is slightly larger than Houston metro.

So the numbers are pretty irrelevant when only looking at the relatively small city limits of Atlanta.
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Old 11-02-2015, 09:27 AM
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Atlanta leads the nation in VMT so I doubt many people are only driving a few miles to work.

Workers with Commutes of 20 Minutes or Less

Los Angeles - 529,540 (30.1%)
Houston - 366,235 (34.7%)
Chicago - 246,763 (20.6%)
Dallas - 209,722 (36.0%)
Manhattan - 189,322 (23.0%)
Philadelphia - 157,843 (25.5%)
San Francisco - 109,822 (24.5%)
Seattle - 108,791 (30.6%)
Boston - 87,437 (26.8%)
Washington - 82,629 (25.3%)
Atlanta - 74,534 (37.3%)
Miami - 59,942 (30.3%)

Atlantans have the shortest commutes among workers of the country's largest cities. Most people would probably be surprised that Angelenos have a shorter commute than Manhattanites.
Again, you appear to be comparing data from the metro (VMT) to data from the city alone (your commute times).
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Old 11-02-2015, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Again, you appear to be comparing data from the metro (VMT) to data from the city alone (your commute times).
These are just commute times for residents of the city proper.
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Old 11-02-2015, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Just outside of McDonough, Georgia
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Oh, I realize that. I'm saying that expansion most come first. The small section that exists doesn't really justify it, but for a city wide system focused on serving residents on a daily basis, more than just tourists, a signal priority/synchronization system would be an absolute priority.

At the very least. A dedicated transit lane as well would be even better.
To be fair, I still think any expansion is still a few years off. Adding signal priority to the existing route would be inexpensive and provide immediate benefits to streetcar patrons and drivers alike, and can be done relatively quickly.

While we're waiting on expansion money, why not focus on making the current experience better first?

- skbl17
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Old 11-02-2015, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Its very easy to deny that the streetcar caused development.

That area was already starting to re-develop. Its impossible to tell if that all would have happened without it.
And most studies show that these things merely re-direct investment, not create new investment.
Redriect the investment dollars to an area with transit and walkablility. Also, many developers have been quoted giving the streetcar as a catalyst for investing in the area.
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