Autonomous cars: Atlanta's transportation future? (low income, move to, electric)

[AnsleyPark]

AVs? Well, just wait until some North Korean hacker causes all of the AVs to crash at Spaghetti Junction. Nope - I'm not for 'em.

[cqholt]

AV technology will not kill transit, in fact it will lower operating costs.

Once we have wide uptake of full automation—sometime between 2020 and 2100 (or never), depending on who you ask—labor cost goes away and driverless taxi fares theoretically get cheaper. But labor cost of fixed transit also goes away. Labor is the dominant element of transit’s operating cost, so driverless buses and trains could be vastly more abundant.

https://www.citylab.com/transportati...-panic/550811/

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by brown_dog_us

You can't strengthen driver awareness.

Use a Cell Phone while driving in Germany, you won't have a license long at all. If you screw up in Germany you won't be driving in that country for the rest of your life.

You strengthen it by actually imposing serious penalties for careless driving rather than using them as a taxable income.

Make stricter tests and make a drivers license have an actual meaning than the privilege so many people take for granted. Some people will undoubtedly fall short of that and I am perfectly fine with it, they just simply put will need to call a taxi to commute as they will no longer be driving.

[primaltech]

AV tech advancements won't kill transit, just like Uber and Lyft haven't killed transit. Because they are transit!

Once again, I still don't think people are thinking big enough, with the potential of all this stuff. The entire fundamental distinction between some of these very concepts could disappear. They're already blurry, anyway.

Taxi = Transit = Public transportation. For a fare, you wait for your ride and then hop on and ride to your destination. You get out, and walk the last bit. Same essential thing as MARTA.

[tikigod311]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

Use a Cell Phone while driving in Germany, you won't have a license long at all. If you screw up in Germany you won't be driving in that country for the rest of your life.

You strengthen it by actually imposing serious penalties for careless driving rather than using them as a taxable income.

Make stricter tests and make a drivers license have an actual meaning than the privilege so many people take for granted. Some people will undoubtedly fall short of that and I am perfectly fine with it, they just simply put will need to call a taxi to commute as they will no longer be driving.

Ugh, I wish I could rep this. The total lack of traffic law enforcement in Atlanta is primarily responsible for the TERRIBLE drivers we have here.

[tikigod311]

Originally Posted by AnsleyPark

AVs? Well, just wait until some North Korean hacker causes all of the AVs to crash at Spaghetti Junction. Nope - I'm not for 'em.

Just remember, over 1k people die each year in Georgia alonw on our roads. We're already working with a disaster

Those same concerns could be translated to traffic controls, air traffic control and IFR flight in general, trains, etc. Any potential for hacker caused chaos will pale in comparison to the annual death toll drivers face today.

[AnsleyPark]

Originally Posted by tikigod311

Just remember, over 1k people die each year in Georgia alonw on our roads. We're already working with a disaster

Those same concerns could be translated to traffic controls, air traffic control and IFR flight in general, trains, etc. Any potential for hacker caused chaos will pale in comparison to the annual death toll drivers face today.

You make a very good point.

[Need4Camaro]

Georgia's annual death toll is relatively low in comparison to other places. Texas and Cali see numbers around 3 and 4k a year, albeit the states are also much bigger.. surprisingly Illinois was lower than Georgia's at one point, not sure about today but I found that kind of surprising.


As far as hacking cars? Maybe, but I personally think it would more so be done to have them literally auto drive themselves to a local chop shop where they can be disected for parts...

Otherwise my real major concern are the unaccounted variables. For example, what is it going to do when it runs over black ice? or hydroplanes through a large puddle? Black Ice can be transparent even to the naked eye at times so its highly unlikely that a machine will beable to detect its presence. Another thing is (and although not much an issue here in GA but just in general) what about snow? Sometimes you get stuck in a patch and you have to do some manuevering and driving to get out... ....unless....you intend to get out and push your AV while it spins in place then after it grabs the road again it proceeds to drive off to its destination leaving you behind :P....

Also...what about oversized loads or those pickups with long ladders or plywood that extend beyond the trailer which is at windshield level, when it tries to come to a stop at a stop light behind one, will it detect that said plywood extends beyond the cab of the truck infront of it or will it literally impale the windshield and possibly an occupant as it stops behind the truck?

These are only simple scenerios... lets not forget vehicles who lose braking power or tractor trailers coming down a decline who need more space or are losing brakes, will your AV say... Oh...lanes clear, and proceed to lane hop right infront of said truck? Or what about intersections and a red light runner, you're supposed to look both ways before crossing any intersection even if you have a green light... your AV may only see the Green light but not the vehicle approaching at 45 MPH at a distance well beyond its sensors capabilities...

Sorry... there's just too much that a HUMAN BRAIN is needed to compensate for that Artificial Intelligence alone cannot be depended upon.

My personal opinion is they should make roads dedicated only to AV's making them less suspectible to unpredictable circumstances and as well to carry any technology that may assist their drive, otherwise; AV's can be piloted on every day streets using Tesla's model, you are not allowed to remove your hands from the steering wheel and the driver still assumes all responsibility for the vehicle, it is merely an assist, or cruise control option with additional functionality but the driver can interrupt and take control at any time.

[primaltech]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

cruise control option with additional functionality but the driver can interrupt and take control at any time.

Yeah, we were talking about this earlier in the thread. Autopilot, basically.

It's a good compromise use of the tech. Keeping the driver would certainly be less controversial.

[tikigod311]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

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Otherwise my real major concern are the unaccounted variables. For example, what is it going to do when it runs over black ice? or hydroplanes through a large puddle? Black Ice can be transparent even to the naked eye at times so its highly unlikely that a machine will beable to detect its presence. Another thing is (and although not much an issue here in GA but just in general) what about snow? Sometimes you get stuck in a patch and you have to do some manuevering and driving to get out... ....unless....you intend to get out and push your AV while it spins in place then after it grabs the road again it proceeds to drive off to its destination leaving you behind :P....

Also...what about oversized loads or those pickups with long ladders or plywood that extend beyond the trailer which is at windshield level, when it tries to come to a stop at a stop light behind one, will it detect that said plywood extends beyond the cab of the truck infront of it or will it literally impale the windshield and possibly an occupant as it stops behind the truck?

These are only simple scenerios... lets not forget vehicles who lose braking power or tractor trailers coming down a decline who need more space or are losing brakes, will your AV say... Oh...lanes clear, and proceed to lane hop right infront of said truck? Or what about intersections and a red light runner, you're supposed to look both ways before crossing any intersection even if you have a green light... your AV may only see the Green light but not the vehicle approaching at 45 MPH at a distance well beyond its sensors capabilities...

Sorry... there's just too much that a HUMAN BRAIN is needed to compensate for that Artificial Intelligence alone cannot be depended upon.

My personal opinion is they should make roads dedicated only to AV's making them less suspectible to unpredictable circumstances and as well to carry any technology that may assist their drive, otherwise; AV's can be piloted on every day streets using Tesla's model, you are not allowed to remove your hands from the steering wheel and the driver still assumes all responsibility for the vehicle, it is merely an assist, or cruise control option with additional functionality but the driver can interrupt and take control at any time.

In every one of those scenarios, a computer would do a better job. Computers already are keeping you safe with traction control. That technology is a significant factor that has made cars safer in slippery over the past couple of decades. ABS is another.

Someone running a red light or lumber sticking out from a truck... A computer with multiple sensors absolutely will do a better job and react quicker than any human can. Do you see people driving on the roads these days? Do you seriously think they are paying an adequate amount of attention? Hell no.

Humans have two eyes and are easily distracted. A computer with 10s of eyes/sensors that never stops paying attention will do a better job than a human ever could. I'll bet my life on it.