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Old 06-24-2016, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Valdosta (Atlanta Native)
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Well, Trump and Brexit are both about nationalism and ethnocentrism. I think everyone gets that. Sanders just got beat by double digits -- not sure why he's included in the list.
Double digits? Do you mean as a whole or the most latest (Washington DC). The California votes aren't fully counted. (Hillary still has more delegates and superdelegates but she lags in favorability)
Bernie Sanders Favorable Rating - Polls - HuffPost Pollster
Hillary Clinton Favorable Rating - Polls - HuffPost Pollster

Bloomberg/Selzer (6/10-6/13 2016)

Also Bernie's political points are progressive unlike Trump and the Brexit vote.

 
Old 06-24-2016, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Jonesboro
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The problem with nationalism(and that evolves to fascism over time) is that it's historically led to some very unpleasant and outright evil events and acts. I feel like the west is heading back to the 1930s and we know what the 1930s eventually led to.


Exactly so. It's disturbing to see parallels from today that harken back to the rise of nationalism & fascism.
I've already used that "f" word in several conversations this morning.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Home of the Braves
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The problem with nationalism(and that evolves to fascism over time) is that it's historically led to some very unpleasant and outright evil events and acts. I feel like the west is heading back to the 1930s and we know what the 1930s eventually led to.
This is what gets me: We never give ourselves (or our parents) any credit. Yes, the world's not perfect, there are many problems we haven't solved. But we've solved some! There is a very long history of European nationalism and what it produces. The post-war liberal (again, small-l) international order more broadly and the European project specifically have been, really, enormously successful at eliminating Great Power warfare and increasing prosperity, but rather than celebrate that and build upon it, a fair number of people want to chuck it all and go back to the bad old days.

I suppose it's like that great British conservative, Edmund Burke, said: "Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
 
Old 06-24-2016, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Home of the Braves
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Double digits? Do you mean as a whole or the most latest (Washington DC).
I'm talking about the popular vote in the Democratic Primary. Hillary won it by 13.5 points. It wasn't a close contest, despite what you might have heard.

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Also Bernie's political points are progressive unlike Trump and the Brexit vote.
Yeah, like I said, I don't know why he was lumped in there.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 11:59 AM
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Well, Trump and Brexit are both about nationalism and ethnocentrism. I think everyone gets that. Sanders just got beat by double digits -- not sure why he's included in the list.
Sanders is a socialist in America(!) who came close to beating a candidate virtually unanimously backed by the Democratic party with overwhelming name recognition and financial backing.

And you just proved you don't get it at all. Its about people getting left behind in the modern economy and the government not seeming to care.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 12:02 PM
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my opinion is that liberals tend to use sarcasm and snark to dismiss opposing opinions as silly and ill-educated. Conservatives don't seem to use those same devices and when they do, they come off as weird (see ted cruz)
lol!
 
Old 06-24-2016, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Ono Island, Orange Beach, AL
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Sanders is a socialist in America(!) who came close to beating a candidate virtually unanimously backed by the Democratic party with overwhelming name recognition and financial backing.

And you just proved you don't get it at all. Its about people getting left behind in the modern economy and the government not seeming to care.
I think that "the government" cares, I just tend to think that there is little the government can do about it. Heck, they bailed out, for example, General Motors saving thousands and thousands of middle class jobs. But beyond something along that order, what else can the government do?
 
Old 06-24-2016, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Home of the Braves
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Sanders is a socialist in America(!) who came close to beating a candidate virtually unanimously backed by the Democratic party with overwhelming name recognition and financial backing.

And you just proved you don't get it at all. Its about people getting left behind in the modern economy and the government not seeming to care.
'kay, boo.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 04:40 PM
 
Location: atlanta
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See, I'm a libertarian so I give equal weight to everyone's opinions and rights
none of the views you've expressed on this topic reflect libertarian values; you're talking about getting the government involved in "assimilating" people whose culture they find offensive, and the "great immigration law" you're talking about was the Immigration Act of 1917 which wikipedia describes:

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This act added to the number of undesirables banned from entering the country, including “homosexuals”, “idiots”, “feeble-minded persons”, "criminals", “epileptics”, “insane persons”, alcoholics, “professional beggars”, all persons “mentally or physically defective”, polygamists, and anarchists. Furthermore, it barred all immigrants over the age of sixteen who were illiterate. The most controversial part of the law was the section that designated an "Asiatic Barred Zone", a region that included much of Asia and the Pacific Islands from which people could not immigrate. Previously, only the Chinese had been excluded from admission to the country. Attempts at introducing literacy tests were previously vetoed by Grover Cleveland in 1897 and William Taft in 1913. Wilson also objected to this clause in the Immigration Act, but it was still passed by Congress on the fourth attempt.
you're in favor of the government getting involved in social engineering to push a nationalist/religious agenda; that's not libertarianism, that's fascism.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 04:57 PM
 
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Oh my...You use Wikipedia as a reference? Wow.
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