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Old 08-09-2016, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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I don't think the trail that runs along freedom parkway is what makes that area great. It would be just as popular and possibly even better off if none of the highway had been built. It certainly would have been worse if more of it got built.
Exactly, having a grid with tax paying homes and businesses would be better than a parkway.
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Old 08-09-2016, 03:59 PM
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Your attached image is wrong. For one example, there is no ped crossing at the end of the tunnel. The roadway is elevated there and can't be crossed on foot.
It's the freakin' Beltline. Sorry, didn't realize we were talking about specifically walking on the road itself. I thought we were just trying to get from one side to the other, and in this case, without the road mattering at all.

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Most of your red dots represent automobile crossings that have no pedestrian connectivity to the path. If you're on foot or bike on the path, the only crossing that is accessible between Boulevard and the Carter Center is Highland Ave.
Again, I did not realize the specifics of our discussion here. You simply said "try walking across it". I marked out the nine spots where you can get from one side of that road to the other at either a crosswalk, path, or bridge. There should certainly be ramps from the path to Randolph and Highland. And why isn't there a ramp on the west side of the Beltline to the path? private property?

Sorry...I just don't see the "completely cut apart" neighborhoods. But, I guess my perspective is just a bit different.

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I don't think the trail that runs along freedom parkway is what makes that area great. It would be just as popular and possibly even better off if none of the highway had been built. It certainly would have been worse if more of it got built.
I guess. If you just want an endless grid of homes, sure. The parks and trails would likely not exist if the area hadn't been cleared. So, again, I guess it's all in what each person wants. Personally, I'd rather have some big park spaces and trails than endless grids of houses. It would appear that, through many of our discussions, that we are simply polar opposites. So be it. Again, if I could afford to live on the Freedom Parkway corridor, I'd move there tomorrow.
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Old 08-09-2016, 04:14 PM
 
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"endless grid of homes [and businesses]"

Yes, that. A urban city is exactly what I and others want. Even with that spur of a highway it is still about the densest neighborhood in the metro. It would only be more so without it. Parks like Piedmont and Candler Park are great compliments to urban living. Freedom Parkway is not.
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Old 08-10-2016, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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It's the freakin' Beltline. Sorry, didn't realize we were talking about specifically walking on the road itself. I thought we were just trying to get from one side to the other, and in this case, without the road mattering at all.



Again, I did not realize the specifics of our discussion here. You simply said "try walking across it". I marked out the nine spots where you can get from one side of that road to the other at either a crosswalk, path, or bridge. There should certainly be ramps from the path to Randolph and Highland. And why isn't there a ramp on the west side of the Beltline to the path? private property?

Sorry...I just don't see the "completely cut apart" neighborhoods. But, I guess my perspective is just a bit different.



I guess. If you just want an endless grid of homes, sure. The parks and trails would likely not exist if the area hadn't been cleared. So, again, I guess it's all in what each person wants. Personally, I'd rather have some big park spaces and trails than endless grids of houses. It would appear that, through many of our discussions, that we are simply polar opposites. So be it. Again, if I could afford to live on the Freedom Parkway corridor, I'd move there tomorrow.
And endless grid of homes can still have parks and greenspace.
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Old 08-10-2016, 07:01 AM
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And endless grid of homes can still have parks and greenspace.
Exactly. Sam has painted himself into a corner and now has nothing to do but spout nonsense.
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Old 08-10-2016, 03:51 PM
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And endless grid of homes can still have parks and greenspace.
True. Like Freedom Park!

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Exactly. Sam has painted himself into a corner and now has nothing to do but spout nonsense.
What? Because my opinion differs from yours? Sure thing, dude. I don't know what corner you think I've painted myself into, but I'm not trying to win anything. I'm stating that I quite like the Freedom Parkway area, would live there in a heartbeat, and I am not of the opinion that the parkway has killed the area. You like straight grid streets with homes. There is nothing to win or lose here.
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Old 08-11-2016, 07:10 AM
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What? Because my opinion differs from yours? Sure thing, dude. I don't know what corner you think I've painted myself into, but I'm not trying to win anything. I'm stating that I quite like the Freedom Parkway area, would live there in a heartbeat, and I am not of the opinion that the parkway has killed the area. You like straight grid streets with homes. There is nothing to win or lose here.
The painted into a corner comment was in regard to the ridiculous notion that a street grid somehow prevents an area from having parks.
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Old 08-11-2016, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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The painted into a corner comment was in regard to the ridiculous notion that a street grid somehow prevents an area from having parks.
But it's true! That's why old Savannah has no parks.
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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"endless grid of homes [and businesses]"

Yes, that. A urban city is exactly what I and others want. Even with that spur of a highway it is still about the densest neighborhood in the metro. It would only be more so without it. Parks like Piedmont and Candler Park are great compliments to urban living. Freedom Parkway is not.
An urban city needs more than an endless grid of homes and businesses. It needs a variety of ways to get around depending on the need. It needs streets and alleys but it also needs parkways and freeways.
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:05 AM
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The painted into a corner comment was in regard to the ridiculous notion that a street grid somehow prevents an area from having parks.
I didn't say that a grid couldn't have parks. A true grid can have a park the size of one block, or you can cut streets and make it bigger, like Central Park. Did you honestly think that I thought a street grid area can't have parks? I guess I should have been more clear with my "endless grids of houses" comment.

What I did say is that the big, long winding park over three miles long with winding bike trails and acres of public area likely wouldn't exist in a true grid system without cutting off streets, and that the only reason that area does exist (an area which I would love to have access to on a daily basis) is because the area was cleared, for better or worse.


I guess I should also clarify: one of the biggest reasons I love Atlanta is specifically because it's not an endless grid.
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