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Old 05-06-2016, 12:39 PM
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Atlanta's Growth Suggests Encouraging Shift from Suburbia - Curbed Atlanta



I know it is repetitive, but still impressive considering the city has been basically flat for growth over the last few decades. If CoA is even able to get 25% of the net growth expected in the metro it will more than double in population to over a million in the next 25 years.
Even with light rail, they don't have the infrastructure to support that many more people on the east side. They aren't likely to replace SF residential on the south side and Buckhead. So most of it will have to go west.
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Old 05-06-2016, 01:22 PM
 
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Even with light rail, they don't have the infrastructure to support that many more people on the east side. They aren't likely to replace SF residential on the south side and Buckhead. So most of it will have to go west.
HRT and LRT will be able to support that level of density (and them some) well. CoA with a population of a million gets you to about 7,500 ppsm. We already have areas with large numbers of SFH like O4W have that density today. In 1940s Atlanta had over 6,000 ppsm. Areas like Downtown, midtown, west midtown have a huge amount of potential growth. And southside and west side neighborhoods have a huge amount of emptiness.

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Old 05-06-2016, 03:40 PM
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HRT and LRT will be able to support that level of density (and them some) well. CoA with a population of a million gets you to about 7,500 ppsm. We already have areas with large numbers of SFH like O4W have that density today. In 1940s Atlanta had over 6,000 ppsm. Areas like Downtown, midtown, west midtown have a huge amount of potential growth. And southside and west side neighborhoods have a huge amount of emptiness.
Some of that density was because of larger families. Not only do people have fewer children, but there are relatively more singles and DINKs overall and the proportion in the inner city is even higher.
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Old 05-06-2016, 03:57 PM
 
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Some of that density was because of larger families. Not only do people have fewer children, but there are relatively more singles and DINKs overall and the proportion in the inner city is even higher.
Which is why the city won't capture 10% of the metro's growth this decade let alone 25%.

Persons per household: Atlanta - 2.25 Gwinnett - 3.09 Forsyth - 3.16. Atlanta's growth is heavily driven by households without children. Forsyth alone has added slightly more people this decade than Atlanta according to the census estimates.
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Old 05-06-2016, 04:24 PM
 
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Atlanta's growth is heavily driven by households without children.
Which makes a lot of sense given the cost of raising children and the increased physical (home) requirements an expanding family requires.
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Old 05-06-2016, 06:00 PM
 
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Which is why the city won't capture 10% of the metro's growth this decade let alone 25%.

Persons per household: Atlanta - 2.25 Gwinnett - 3.09 Forsyth - 3.16. Atlanta's growth is heavily driven by households without children. Forsyth alone has added slightly more people this decade than Atlanta according to the census estimates.
Well so far in 2016 you are wrong:

Total Building permits from Jan & Feb 2016:

Atlanta: 2,223

Remaining metro counties combined: 3,735

(Barrow County, Bartow County, Butts County, Carroll County, Cherokee County, Clayton County, Cobb County, Coweta County, Dawson County, DeKalb County, Douglas County, Fayette County, Forsyth County, Gwinnett County, Hall County, Haralson County, Heard County, Henry County, Jasper County, Lamar County, Meriwether County, Morgan County, Newton County, Paulding County, Pickens County, Pike County, Rockdale County, Spalding County, Walton County)

CoA has 37% of permits.


Even if we adjust for your household numbers:

2,223 * 2.25 = 5,002

3,745 * 3.16 = 11,834

CoA has 29.7%

http://socds.huduser.gov/permits/
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Old 05-06-2016, 06:12 PM
 
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HRT and LRT will be able to support that level of density (and them some) well. CoA with a population of a million gets you to about 7,500 ppsm. We already have areas with large numbers of SFH like O4W have that density today. In 1940s Atlanta had over 6,000 ppsm. Areas like Downtown, midtown, west midtown have a huge amount of potential growth. And southside and west side neighborhoods have a huge amount of emptiness.
Streetcars and light rail as well as improved bus service will also help with this. Especially if they start filling in all those vacant homes in south/west of the City.

Couple that with all the vacant lots of Downtown / South Downtown an you get the picture that we have a long way to go before we run out of build-able room here in the core.
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Old 05-06-2016, 06:12 PM
 
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Streetcars and light rail as well as improved bus service will also help with this. Especially if they start filling in all those vacant homes in south/west of the City.
For sure. And getting busses and LRT dedicated lanes.
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Old 05-06-2016, 06:28 PM
 
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For sure. And getting busses and LRT dedicated lanes.
And traffic signals, and bike lanes, and lane markings, and more street-level retail, and loosening parking requirements, and on and on and on.

Point is, there's a lot we can do to squeeze more density into our core and city at large without suffocating much more than we are now. Listening to Tim Keane, though, makes me think we're headed in the right direction to do just a bit of it all.
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Old 05-07-2016, 10:14 AM
 
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Well so far in 2016 you are wrong:

Total Building permits from Jan & Feb 2016:

Atlanta: 2,223

Remaining metro counties combined: 3,735

(Barrow County, Bartow County, Butts County, Carroll County, Cherokee County, Clayton County, Cobb County, Coweta County, Dawson County, DeKalb County, Douglas County, Fayette County, Forsyth County, Gwinnett County, Hall County, Haralson County, Heard County, Henry County, Jasper County, Lamar County, Meriwether County, Morgan County, Newton County, Paulding County, Pickens County, Pike County, Rockdale County, Spalding County, Walton County)

CoA has 37% of permits.


Even if we adjust for your household numbers:

2,223 * 2.25 = 5,002

3,745 * 3.16 = 11,834

CoA has 29.7%

SOCDS Building Permits Database
I think you're smarter than this. Are building permits the only or most important component of population change?
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