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That doesn't stop other cities with small city limits that are mostly suburban from growing rapidly like Seattle. Seattle's city limits are much smaller than Atlanta's, but it's growing at nearly 2x the rate in raw numbers. Even SF, which is only 46 square miles, extremely expensive and has strict NIMBYism is growing at 12k people a year. Face it. Atlanta's growth isn't impressive. I guess it's impressive when you compare it to previous decades, but not with the current suburb to city trend and not impressive when you compare it to the metro wide growth. Atlanta's metro wide growth is accelerating and Atlanta city growth is nearly stagnant year over year. That speaks volumes.
For a city that grew by 4,000 the previous 10 years, growth of 8,775 per year (2010-2015) is extremely impressive. And as more of the city becomes desirable places to live, the capacity for growth in the city will also increase. The two cities you mention have the advantage of water which almost always put a premium on desirability. It's a completely different set of dynamics.
The city is doing the exact opposite of stagnating. Its growing at a rate not seen in our lifetime.
For a city that grew by 4,000 the previous 10 years, growth of 8,775 per year (2010-2015) is extremely impressive. And as more of the city becomes desirable places to live, the capacity for growth in the city will also increase. The two cities you mention have the advantage of water which almost always put a premium on desirability. It's a completely different set of dynamics.
The city is doing the exact opposite of stagnating. Its growing at a rate not seen in our lifetime.
Exactly, & as I heard it put on the news this a.m., the growth rate between 2014 & 2015 in the city of Atlanta was estimated to be @ 1.7% while the overall Atlanta metro growth in the same 1 year period was...drum-roll: also 1.7%.
I'm not a denialist, but I am a transplant. I live in a county that is nearly half non-white, and in a city that is 40 percent non-white. I do not see and have not experienced the garbage that is posted on this board about Cobb as if it's the gospel. I live in a middle to upper middle class community, and I see black people and other non-whites all the time. The idea of Cobb as this whitewashed enclave or bubble has not been my experience, though I will not discount events of the past in how it earned this reputation.
I brought up transit not toward you, but in general. Anti-Cobb sentiment on here is frequently couched in the MARTA rejection and racism, yet it is obvious that transit doesn't preclude racism and hate crimes even in progressive, diverse cities.
When Cobb is 50+ percent non white, what will people claim then? It's bound to happen in just a few years.
This is the south. And metro Atlanta to boot. Except for Appalachia there is almost no where that is all white. That's just how it goes down here. There are Black people everywhere in the south. It's not like we all just congregate in areas that are friendly towards us. The amount of minorities in an area really isn't a good indicator of it being racist or not. The people who run stuff in Cobb are still the same folks who've been running stuff forever and a day up there. Ferguson Missouri is mostly Black but yet the city leadership is still damn near all White. Pretty sure most St Louis metro folks would still tell you that Ferguson and other northern St Louis county suburbs are still racist. Cobb being 50% minority says nothing. If anything the constant gerrymandering to minimize the minority vote in Cobb should speak volumes to you more than anything I've said on here. They clearly intend to keep their power base, despite how many Black and Hispanic folks move in.
And how is the stuff posted on here garbage? A white cop in Cobb calling me and my friend
a boy over and over and telling us that if we wanted to come to Cobb at night that we needed to stay off the side streets and stick to the interstates is garbage? No. It's not garbage. It's the truth. When that thread came up last year about the cops in Cobb and I shared my experiences, this being city data I figured that per usual my opinion on here would be going against the grain. I was shocked to see that quite a few other people on here had experiences similar to mine out there with being harassed. Like I said before. Clearly there is something there.
Like seriously. I get it. You're a good person. You moved to Cobb but that doesn't mean you're a racist. There are thousands of people just like you up there. But that doesn't change the fact that Cobb county clearly has an axe to grind with A- city people and B- Black people.
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This is the south. And metro Atlanta to boot. Except for Appalachia there is almost no where that is all white. That's just how it goes down here. There are Black people everywhere in the south. It's not like we all just congregate in areas that are friendly towards us. The amount of minorities in an area really isn't a good indicator of it being racist or not. The people who run stuff in Cobb are still the same folks who've been running stuff forever and a day up there. Ferguson Missouri is mostly Black but yet the city leadership is still damn near all White. Pretty sure most St Louis metro folks would still tell you that Ferguson and other northern St Louis county suburbs are still racist. Cobb being 50% minority says nothing. If anything the constant gerrymandering to minimize the minority vote in Cobb should speak volumes to you more than anything I've said on here. They clearly intend to keep their power base, despite how many Black and Hispanic folks move in.
And how is the stuff posted on here garbage? A white cop in Cobb calling me and my friend
a boy over and over and telling us that if we wanted to come to Cobb at night that we needed to stay off the side streets and stick to the interstates is garbage? No. It's not garbage. It's the truth. When that thread came up last year about the cops in Cobb and I shared my experiences, this being city data I figured that per usual my opinion on here would be going against the grain. I was shocked to see that quite a few other people on here had experiences similar to mine out there with being harassed. Like I said before. Clearly there is something there.
Like seriously. I get it. You're a good person. You moved to Cobb but that doesn't mean you're a racist. There are thousands of people just like you up there. But that doesn't change the fact that Cobb county clearly has an axe to grind with A- city people and B- Black people.
I don't understand this exactly. What you experienced is awful and unfair, but its not like it's reserved only for black people in white areas. There are plenty of majority black areas where whites are harassed, even attacked, by black residents. We all need to change our attitudes - black and white.
I don't understand this exactly. What you experienced is awful and unfair, but its not like it's reserved only for black people in white areas. There are plenty of majority black areas where whites are harassed, even attacked, by black residents. We all need to change our attitudes - black and white.
white people seem to believe this. i used to believe this (i'm white). but it simply isn't true. that may be what you see on TV, but since then i have been everywhere from vine city, lakewood, west end, stone mountain, out to stonecrest, clayton county, places that people call 'projects'. black people don't come out and start attacking you. and even if they did, they wouldn't have the institutional government/tv/hollywood influence that allows white perpetrators of hate crimes to go free (george zimmerman being a prime example). white people can straight up murder a black person and get off if they plead self defense. but black people? they get 20 years in jail for firing a warning shot. you can see why they don't riot like whites do when their neighbourhood starts getting more diverse.
white people seem to believe this. i used to believe this (i'm white). but it simply isn't true. that may be what you see on TV, but since then i have been everywhere from vine city, lakewood, west end, stone mountain, out to stonecrest, clayton county, places that people call 'projects'. black people don't come out and start attacking you. and even if they did, they wouldn't have the institutional government/tv/hollywood influence that allows white perpetrators of hate crimes to go free (george zimmerman being a prime example). white people can straight up murder a black person and get off if they plead self defense. but black people? they get 20 years in jail for firing a warning shot. you can see why they don't riot like whites do when their neighbourhood starts getting more diverse.
The safest cities in America are mostly white. The most dangerous are mostly black. Blacks make up 13% of the population but commit 53% of all murders in America. There is no denying statistics and statistics themselves are not racist. Just facts. There are also horrible racist parts of our country where the KKK is still going strong - that is equally horrible. Both sides have issues they need to deal with. The idea though that black people are less safe in white areas than white people are in some black neighborhoods is absurd. There are mostly black areas in this country, even Atlanta, where a white person wondering around after dark equals a death sentence. Gang violence is rampant in the black community as well. I am not trying to have a discussion on race because it has been rehashed thousands of times on this board, but suffice to say there are areas black people are afraid to go due to racist whites and there are areas white people are afraid to go due to rampant crime and gang violence among the black residents. It works both ways.
I don't understand this exactly. What you experienced is awful and unfair, but its not like it's reserved only for black people in white areas. There are plenty of majority black areas where whites are harassed, even attacked, by black residents. We all need to change our attitudes - black and white.
In Atlanta? Ok, sure bro. If you say so. I would ask you to name these areas, but I figure someone who has to ask if Oakhurst or Kirkwood is a war zone probably isn't that familiar with the metro area anyway. And someone who thinks Blacks go around attacking Whites just because of the color of their skin isn't that familiar with Black culture either. I'll drop a few gems for you. If you're White and looking to move into a Black area you'd probably be safer than the Black residents who live in that area. Black people who do dirt know that messing with White people is an easy ticket to have the cops on your @ss. And the drug dealers don't want the extra police attention because then they can't do what they do. Not to mention that in a lot of neighborhoods like the Bluff for example, most of the customers are White anyway. Those guys over there are making thousands of dollars a day. Why would they want to screw around with their cash flow by messing with some White people? A lot of us in poorer neighborhoods are literally just trying to survive day to day. We don't have the energy nor the extra time to devote to scheming up ways to mess with white folks.
In Atlanta? Ok, sure bro. If you say so. I would ask you to name these areas, but I figure someone who has to ask if Oakhurst or Kirkwood is a war zone probably isn't that familiar with the metro area anyway. And someone who thinks Blacks go around attacking Whites just because of the color of their skin isn't that familiar with Black culture either. I'll drop a few gems for you. If you're White and looking to move into a Black area you'd probably be safer than the Black residents who live in that area. Black people who do dirt know that messing with White people is an easy ticket to have the cops on your @ss. And the drug dealers don't want the extra police attention because then they can't do what they do. Not to mention that in a lot of neighborhoods like the Bluff for example, most of the customers are White anyway. Those guys over there are making thousands of dollars a day. Why would they want to screw around with their cash flow by messing with some White people? A lot of us in poorer neighborhoods are literally just trying to survive day to day. We don't have the energy nor the extra time to devote to scheming up ways to mess with white folks.
I agree with you on a lot of these points. As I said, there is no blanket answer here because both white and black people have bad groups in their population. For example, more white men are serial killers than any other group. These are just facts.
That being said, we can't bend facts from what they are. The FBI murder report from 2013, the most recent I could find, shows that of the 3,000 whites murdered that year, over 400 were killed by blacks. Of the 2500 black people killed, 189 were killed by whites. That's Almost 15% of white murders being committed by blacks compared to only 7.5% of black murders by whites. There is no point arguing this - statistics are statistics. At the end of the day, there are crazy racist whites who kill blacks for no reason and crazy black people who kill whites. Both sides should own their mistakes and work to make them better. Making excuses or deflecting statistics will just make the problem worse.
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