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Old 07-29-2016, 11:29 PM
 
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It would be nice to see G.S.U. receive more funding for its research. I had no idea their funding was so far below that of GA Tech and U.G.A., which obviously has an effect on the quality of its education. As for sports, I don't think we should be judging the quality of a university by this any at all.
The state has been more interested in academic buildings rather than research buildings. Tech and Georgia have the money to build them. Much tougher for GSU though.

Like it or not, a successful sports program, especially in football, can give a school a perception of being a big deal.
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:37 AM
 
Location: Historic West End
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Well, GSU's SATs are behind not only Georgia, and Georgia Tech, but also Kennesaw State, Georgia Southern, and Georgia College. None of the last three do I consider major universities. GSU has a decent endowment, but not enough to be a major university. Sportswise its conference is the weakest of the FBS conferences.

All in all, GSU is not among the elite schools. GSU might move up in sports if the Big 12 opens up some slots as it expands, GSU looks like a good candidate to fill some.
I think it wise to measure the number of people receiving degrees. GSU has a high retention and graduation rate. Screw sports if you can't read and write.
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Old 07-30-2016, 07:24 AM
 
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GSU? definitely not a major univ. yet. Basically, it is still a teaching univ. Speacking of research, which GSU's weakness is, is a major deciding factor to determine if the university is a major one or not. By this measurement, only Emory, Tech, and UGA can be considered as major univ. in Georgia.
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Old 07-30-2016, 08:22 AM
 
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Researchers can partner with whichever university they want. I've often seen universities from differing conferences winning research grants.

The ACC has built in a strong poison pill such that any school should be reluctant to leave. My sense is that Georgia Tech is not interested in joining the Big Ten.
Only the big ten coordinates research at such a high level. 14 major university college departments coordinate, these are the flagship universities of eleven states. They have the political backing of 11 states which is a lot at the federal level. Together the Universities share 10 billion dollars of research a year.

If Ga. Tech had an opportunity to jump to the big ten they would do it in a second. The research increase would be about $200 million a year based upon what happened to Penn State plus another $30 million in athletic revenues from the big ten network. The money dwarfs what the ACC can offer, the big ten has been courting Ga. Tech as the school fits what they want. A major media market research university. This isn't about sports along here, it is a bout the whole package. Sports, media market, academics, and political power. Nebraska to join the big ten had to make a lot of promises to get their state funding into line in order to be invited to the Big Ten.



Here is a good article on it.

Joining Big Ten could also bring Rutgers big academic benefits | NJ.com

Entry into the athletic conference is also expected to come with a coveted invitation into the Committee on Institutional Cooperation, the academic arm of the Big Ten. Outside of sports, the consortium of top research universities — which includes University of Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State — harnesses its collective power to jointly negotiate contracts and share resources.

For Rutgers students, that could mean access to other schools’ courses, study abroad programs and libraries. For Rutgers researchers, it could mean joint research projects with other Big Ten members. Joining the club could also mean big savings for Rutgers on software licensing, library purchasing, insurance and other expenses.
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Old 07-30-2016, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Morningside, Atlanta, GA
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Universities are ranked on both their graduate and undergraduate reputations. I agree that the undergraduate program is still developing and the large class size pushes the entering SATS down, but what I find encouraging is the rising rankings of the graduate programs. According to US News and World Reports Georgia State University | Graduate Programs | Graduate Degrees | US News , hard science Ph.D. programs (Chem, Bio, physics, etc..), nursing, physical therapy and fine arts are ranked in the low 100s nationally, the social science and humanities Ph.D. programs, other clinical programs (clinical psychology, social work, speech pathology etc.), education, and law are 50-100, health care management is 33rd, and the Andrew Young School of Public policy is 25th best in the nation. Obviously GA Tech with its engineering (7th nationally) and science programs is far better. If you compare UGA, the Social science and humanties programs are roughly in the same range as GA State, but most other programs are 20-50 places better. If you compare KSU, no program at KSU is better the 100th in the nation. If you compare Augusta University, most programs are in the 100s, but a few are 50-100 including the flagship medical school.

Thus GSU currently has the niche as the 3rd best public university graduate school in the state and is 4th overall in the State (Emory is far ahead (and may be #1, just ahead of Tech), but GSU is well ahead of Mercer, Clark Atlanta, Morehouse Medcal School etc..).

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Old 07-30-2016, 11:49 AM
 
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Georgia State has a long way to go to catch up. The commitment to research has to be there and has to be backed on a State policy level. The research for the entire university is $120 million. When you look at some of the northern universities and the amount of research dollars they bring in, it's a shocker. A good example of this is the University of Cincinnati. Now if you where to go off of name recognition you would put it below UGA and Ga. Tech. The total amount of research last year was $396,812,015 or 3X the amount of Ga. State. The two schools are both urban campuses and the enrollment is similar when you exclude's UC's commuter campuses.

University of Cincinnati Research - Funding

The state will need to step up funding and help the university establish the graduate programs it needs to succeed and grow. The largest employer last year in Cincinnati was the University of Cincinnati. These are the types of jobs you want in a vibrant metro area as they are high paying and stable jobs. They also support other businesses in the metro area.

Research dollars are a major reason why Ga. tech is looking at joining the big ten if they can, currently they are around $680 million. Penn State since joining in 93 has seen research dollars increase by about $200 million per year and is currently right over $800 million. Ohio States research funding was $983 million in 2014. The big ten takes a collaborative approach and goes in together for grants. Departments among the schools form joint committees based upon which school is the strongest in that area.
Tech was ahead of UMD and Rutgers on the B1G's wish list back in 2014. Tech said, "No thanks." Last week Tech signed an extension of the ACC's media GoR through 2036. They aren't changing conferences, period.

UC has a med school and health system. GSU doesn't. That and the fact that UC is more than a century older than GSU accounts for the difference in research funding. GSU is never getting a med school and GT is the major engineering school for the state, so GSU is always going to be at the lower end of the funding scale among major research universities.


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Well, GSU's SATs are behind not only Georgia, and Georgia Tech, but also Kennesaw State, Georgia Southern, and Georgia College. None of the last three do I consider major universities. GSU has a decent endowment, but not enough to be a major university. .
GSU is a Carnegie R1 which by definition makes them a major research university. They're at the very low end of the threshold for having R1 status, but they have it nonetheless.
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Augusta, GA ''The fastest rising city in the southeast''
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GSU? definitely not a major univ. yet. Basically, it is still a teaching univ. Speacking of research, which GSU's weakness is, is a major deciding factor to determine if the university is a major one or not. By this measurement, only Emory, Tech, and UGA can be considered as major univ. in Georgia.
Augusta University
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:13 PM
 
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GSU? definitely not a major univ. yet. Basically, it is still a teaching univ. Speacking of research, which GSU's weakness is, is a major deciding factor to determine if the university is a major one or not. By this measurement, only Emory, Tech, and UGA can be considered as major univ. in Georgia.
As noted above, GSU has a Carnegie Classification of: Doctoral Universities: Highest Research Activity which is as high as it goes. That plus they've broken through $100 million in research funding makes them more than a teaching university. Plus president Becker has launched an initiative to have 100 researchers. Rising in professor rank at GSU probably depends more on your research than teaching.

GSU needs more of the trappings of a major university, lifestyle etc., but they are gradually getting there.
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:35 PM
 
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Augusta University
Wait, have they changed names again?

That's a slap in the face to MCG. Cannot believe they now call it Augusta University, thats a complete joke.

And I grew up in Augusta, so i get the community stance but it's still a terrible decision.
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:39 PM
 
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Wait, have they changed names again?

That's a slap in the face to MCG. Cannot believe they now call it Augusta University, thats a complete joke.

And I grew up in Augusta, so i get the community stance but it's still a terrible decision.
MCG still exists, but as a college within AU. AU is a better name than Georgia Regents. But I think University of Augusta would have been a better name.
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