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Old 12-14-2016, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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There's actually a lot of transit in Cobb. A lot more than North Fulton has:

https://cobbcounty.org/images/docume...ap_12-2016.pdf

If MARTA were to take over and operate all of that, and optimally integrate it with the rest of MARTA, that in itself would be a huge win for Cobb, and Atlanta and the whole region, for no increase in taxes.

Also it would greatly ease the transition for Cobb deciding someday to raise more taxes for MARTA. Maybe they would start with a 0.5% sales tax, for BRT quality service along 41, and a nice, new park&ride Cumberland Transit Center. Or something like that.

Consolidate, b*tches. Come on.
A) Where is East, North, and West Cobb on this map?
b) Half of those routes are express and only run peak hours
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Old 12-14-2016, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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Trying to let counties in as a 'lower paying' member to MARTA is likely to just backfire in the long run compared to the short-term struggle to get people to pay the full price.

Imagine if Cobb shifts to the .5% sales tax with MARTA from their current model. What will that buy them? Some commuter rail and BRT, depending on how much funding the local bus service gets.

Point is, there wouldn't be nearly as big an impact, and no where near as many options available to the county. All that will do, in the long run, is give us a 'North Fulton' situation. Where people complain that "they've been paying into the system for decades now and there isn't any service to me yet, so why should I pay for more!?" That just makes things harder in the future, and, ultimately, delays the most important project for the county indefinitely: the heavy rail extension.
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Old 12-14-2016, 10:54 AM
 
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Once again, just flooding a corridor with buses will not instantly created demand or solve the issue and can in fact exacerbate the congestion with bus-bunching. Instead, well researched and designed BR and ART routes need to be created to provide service levels approaching that of fixed-guideway transit.
I'm not too concerned with bus bunching.

Among the many great things about buses is that you can get those son of a guns on the road in short order, so that you immediately start helping people get around in a real way. You donít have to build billions of dollars in new infrastructure or piddle around with decades of planning and ROW acquisition and EIS and NIMBY wars.
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Old 12-14-2016, 10:57 AM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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I'm not too concerned with bus bunching.

Among the many great things about buses is that you can get those son of a guns on the road in short order, so that you immediately start helping people get around in a real way. You donít have to build billions of dollars in new infrastructure or piddle around with decades of planning and ROW acquisition and EIS and NIMBY wars.
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Old 12-14-2016, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Vinings
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Trying to let counties in as a 'lower paying' member to MARTA is likely to just backfire in the long run compared to the short-term struggle to get people to pay the full price.
You, also, are not getting what I'm saying. No one would be 'let in' to anything. Cobb already has transit. It would still have that same transit. It would continue to receive exactly what it's paying for, no more or less.

The singular consolidated transit agency may not even be called MARTA. And even if does keep that name, it would be a totally new thing.
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Old 12-14-2016, 11:29 AM
 
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Houston and Dallas both rated above Atlanta in a recent study of the effectiveness of transit. They looked at the number of jobs you could reach in a given amount of time (45 minutes I believe). Atlanta was near the bottom. Rail moves more and faster, but it is far less likely to go where you are and take you where you want to go.
Well which do you think is more valuable when companies chose to relocate or locate?Which is easist for tourist and conventioneers to use when in town?
How many people hop on a bus versus a train when the visit a city?

So while I dont disagree,the value to Atlanta having heavy raill is by far a greater assets no matter how much coverage Houston or Dallas may have.

Regardless of what study you are referring to there are studies that also rank Atlanta well above houston and Dallas as well.
According to this ,those cities are in the bottom when it comes to actual usage
How Your City’s Public Transit Stacks Up | FiveThirtyEight
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Old 12-14-2016, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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I'm not too concerned with bus bunching.

Among the many great things about buses is that you can get those son of a guns on the road in short order, so that you immediately start helping people get around in a real way. You donít have to build billions of dollars in new infrastructure or piddle around with decades of planning and ROW acquisition and EIS and NIMBY wars.
It's a good thing we have people, a lot smarter than you or I and with experience, making those decisions.
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Old 12-14-2016, 11:47 AM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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You, also, are not getting what I'm saying. No one would be 'let in' to anything. Cobb already has transit. It would still have that same transit. It would continue to receive exactly what it's paying for, no more or less.
Yeah, absolute garbage.
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Old 12-14-2016, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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You, also, are not getting what I'm saying. No one would be 'let in' to anything. Cobb already has transit. It would still have that same transit. It would continue to receive exactly what it's paying for, no more or less.

The singular consolidated transit agency may not even be called MARTA. And even if does keep that name, it would be a totally new thing.
Wait, so all you'd change is the banner under which it operates? No funding changes, no service changes, just a 'unified' system that wouldn't actually solve any problems?

Why go through all that effort then? Might as well just leave it as CCT.
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Old 12-14-2016, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Yeah, absolute garbage.
Hey, at least that garbage has fancy new paint scheme.
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