Daughter of Juvenile (rapper) killed by 17yr brother in Gwinnett County (Lawrenceville: movies, schools)

[netdragon]

How weird... The daughter of a rapper was killed by her 17 year older brother in Lawrenceville. I find it strange that of all people, Juvenile's daughter was the one killed. The mother, a deputy and actress, was also killed by the 17-year old along with her other daughter. The 17-year old must have been troubled.

Does anyone know more about it or live near where it happened?

I imagine what happened must have hit Juvenile hard, and I'm just thinking that unlike most people, Juvenile's in a position to make something positive out of this. It'd be great if he came to metro ATL and started trying to educate young people who look up to him about guns and crime.

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[BobKovacs]

Maybe he spent too much time listening to Daddy's music?

[netdragon]

I don't think Juvenile was his father, only the father of the 4 year old, Jelani. There was a paternity case back in 2004 which resulted in Juvenile claiming paternity.

Neighbors and people who knew the 17 year old said he was a "good kid". It seems like this story is repeating itself too often throughout upper middle class communities nationwide. I wonder what the heck is wrong with our society when there's enough rage that "good kids" can blow up like this and cause so much damage? There seems to be so many school shootings and such going around lately. I'm not sure if the news is just focusing on it now, but I would think they'd focus on it in the 80s too. I think we as a society need to investigate school environments and perhaps something deeply engrained in society that is making a lot of young people feel hurt and dissatisfied to the point they take on this rage. People try to blame movies, games, or music but those things haven't changed in 30 years, so I think it's something much deeper than that. I think it's actually the "de-facto" way teenagers are treated by adults (no rights, etc) and often their peers. Sometimes it may just be an isolated anger problem, though.

[NorthmeetsSouth]

Originally Posted by netdragon

People try to blame movies, games, or music but those things haven't changed in 30 years, so I think it's something much deeper than that. I think it's actually the "de-facto" way teenagers are treated by adults (no rights, etc) and often their peers. Sometimes it may just be an isolated anger problem, though.

I agree that it has to do with how they are treated, but I disagree with "no rights, etc". I think that we had fewer rights as teenagers several decades ago. We were taught to respect our elders and we only had whatever rights our parents decided to give us.
Kids these days have a sense of entitlement that we never had, and that makes them surly and full of righteous indignation whenever an adult tells them that they can't have or do something. Of course not ALL kids are like this, but there is a higher percentage of them than there used to be.
If society could get back to a place where kids were monitored better by their parents instead of coddled, and were taught that there were consequences to all of their actions I believe that we would be seeing fewer stories like this one

[netdragon]

I believe in letting kids and teenagers make their own (guided) decisions and that they don't have to offer any higher level of respect for adults than adults do for each other. Like you, I also don't believe in coddling them because then they don't learn to be responsible. For instance, especially with guys anger management is a major theme for teenagers and if you just bail them out every time they blow up, then they may end up like this teenager. When I had a few episodes of raising hell as a teenager, my mom left me in the town police station lockdown overnight the 3rd time it happened as opposed to coming to get me immediately.

Example of rights they don't have is that I believe that the voting age should be lowered to 15-16, when they can be subsequently taxed because they can begin working (taxation without representation). Additionally, they are probably more qualified to vote than 25 year olds were 100 years ago, and being teenagers the idea they'd just be a proxy vote for their parents is faulty since they'd take it very seriously like 18 year olds do now.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by netdragon

I believe in letting kids and teenagers make their own (guided) decisions and that they don't have to offer any higher level of respect for adults than adults do for each other. Like you, I also don't believe in coddling them because then they don't learn to be responsible. For instance, especially with guys anger management is a major theme for teenagers and if you just bail them out every time they blow up, then they may end up like this teenager. When I had a few episodes of raising hell as a teenager, my mom left me in the town police station lockdown overnight the 3rd time it happened as opposed to coming to get me immediately.

Example of rights they don't have is that I believe that the voting age should be lowered to 15-16, when they can be subsequently taxed because they can begin working (taxation without representation). Additionally, they are probably more qualified to vote than 25 year olds were 100 years ago, and being teenagers the idea they'd just be a proxy vote for their parents is faulty since they'd take it very seriously like 18 year olds do now.

18 year olds take it seriously? Um...

[WestCobb]

I'm not sure I follow your argument. Kids are committing acts of horrific violence because they are disenfranchised? So if this 17 year old was allowed to vote at 16, he would have been a good citizen and not killed his sister? Hmmm... I don't think granting teens voting rights (or any other rights they don't currently have) is the answer.

[netdragon]

I'm not saying the oppression causes the lashing out, but the lashing out may be an indicator of feelings of oppression, and not necessarily in this case (which may be isolated), but in general. I think violence is also a reaction by some teenagers to how they are treated by adults and peers, which could cause them to build up anger until they explode, such as we saw with Columbine. Additionally, feelings of oppression can also build anger in a population, and that may add to the problem in some cases -- especially in cases where the anger is directed back at schools. To give an example, the student may not only be angry at how he is treated, but angry he doesn't have the freedom to do something where he can escape the peers' harassment because he has no rights to, for instance, quit school to escape the students' harassment. He may be also angry that administrative officials haven't been taking the teasing seriously. The actions are way out of line, but just like anything -- the feelings they have that lead to the way out of line actions come from their environment.

To me -- it's an indicator that change needs to be made. For one -- negative behavior of teenagers towards each at school should be treated as it would in the workplace. The punishments shouldn't be as harsh as they should be with adults, but children shouldn't get away with teasing others -- that's considered harassment and isn't "normal" unless you want to say it's alright for our society to be screwed up. For instance, hall monitors and teachers should report all incidents of teasing and the students should be immediately brought in for mediation. Students should also be encouraged to report incidents they see between other students.

[mr.man]

Originally Posted by BobKovacs

Maybe he spent too much time listening to Daddy's music?

I don't agree with today's rap music and the images it portrays, but a family was murdered, is this comment necessary? Music should'nt produce this savage act from any human being!

[netdragon]

Yeah, I don't think there's any rap music that suggests it's cool to kill your mother and sisters.

There must have been some emotional issues, or anger management issues. I wonder what else could have caused it? I think it would be extremely helpful to get a researcher in there to talk to him and find out why the heck he did that. It could help pre-identify problems in the future with other people.