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Old 01-30-2017, 01:11 PM
 
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AS someone who is, at least in part, devoting their education to National and Global Security, this was a rather fascinating (read terrifying) break down of everything that's happening, and how this whole mess of immigration plays into the bigger picture. It is fair to view this as, perhaps, alarmist, but I ask you all to read and consider it, as well as follow the referenced material that the author cites.

I'll highlight the summary, but y'all should REALLY read through it.

Trial Balloon for a Coup? :
Analyzing the news of the past 24 hours (written 19hrs ago)


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Combining all of these facts, we have a fairly clear picture in play.

(1) Trump was, indeed, perfectly honest during the campaign; he intends to do everything he said, and more. This should not be reassuring to you.

(2) The regime’s main organizational goal right now is to transfer all effective power to a tight inner circle, eliminating any possible checks from either the Federal bureaucracy, Congress, or the Courts. Departments are being reorganized or purged to effect this.

(3) The inner circle is actively probing the means by which they can seize unchallenged power; yesterday’s moves should be read as the first part of that.

(4) The aims of crushing various groups — Muslims, Latinos, the black and trans communities, academics, the press — are very much primary aims of the regime, and are likely to be acted on with much greater speed than was earlier suspected. The secondary aim of personal enrichment is also very much in play, and clever people will find ways to play these two goals off each other.

 
Old 01-30-2017, 01:17 PM
 
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And yet the Dems are becoming extinct, which means there are less Democrats in elected office every election cycle.

Dems wiggle and point to why they actually won, but they remain the snail darter of modern day politics.
No this a cycle that have been going back and forth at least since Bill. People start voting against the party in power.

All president since at least bill have been dealing with a Congress swing back and Forth. Usual it start with the President party in control of congress then over the years the other party become the majority by the end.

Bill in 96 had to go against newt gingrich's republican congress

Bush in 06 had go against nancy pelosi's Democat congress

Obama By 2012 had to go against Paul Ryan's republican congress

If history repeats itself by 2018 and 2020 Democrats will start making gains. And Trump seem to be trying to help it by having low popularity.
 
Old 01-30-2017, 01:34 PM
 
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And yet the Dems are becoming extinct, which means there are less Democrats in elected office every election cycle.

Dems wiggle and point to why they actually won, but they remain the snail darter of modern day politics.
Dems aren't becoming extinct at all. Maybe you're speaking about elected officials but even that's cyclical. The GOP was just very good at gerrymandering this go 'round, but the courts are finally challenging those maps.
 
Old 01-30-2017, 03:18 PM
 
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White House Staying Mum on Rumors of Anti-LGBT Exec Order | Advocate.com

You think the airport marches are big now wait until he signs this
 
Old 01-30-2017, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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A big part of the reason why Trump won is because of the Democrats extreme push to the left. I voted for Obama both elections, but in 2016 Democrats have gone crazy. You can't say anything that goes against their opinion or you are automatically labeled a racist or a bigot. If they don't get their way, they riot or block the public in protest. It has only seemed to get worse since the election. I remember someone saying when they thought the election was a done deal that "just the thought of someone not accepting the results of the election is horrifying to me and Americans" well geee look what happened. A bunch of whiney crying hypocrites.
This is totally wrong and I'm going to correct you on the record. Democrats have continuously moved right since Bill Clinton was elected to office. The left candidate this election (Bernie Sanders) was projected to beat Trump by 10 points (outside the margin of error unlike Hillary). Progressive issues are favored in this country yet our representatives don't represent us because of their corporate donars. Democrats lost this election because they have turned into "Republican Lite".
 
Old 01-30-2017, 07:33 PM
 
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This is totally wrong and I'm going to correct you on the record. Democrats have continuously moved right since Bill Clinton was elected to office. The left candidate this election (Bernie Sanders) was projected to beat Trump by 10 points (outside the margin of error unlike Hillary). Progressive issues are favored in this country yet our representatives don't represent us because of their corporate donars. Democrats lost this election because they have turned into "Republican Lite".
That's why Bernie got slaughtered in the primary election? He couldn't even win the Democrat vote against one of the most hated politicians in US history.
 
Old 01-30-2017, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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That's why Bernie got slaughtered in the primary election? He couldn't even win the Democrat vote against one of the most hated politicians in US history.
The Democrats refused to give Bernie debates and they told the media to slander him. They were also the ones who told the media to boost Donald Trump because they thought he would be an easy opponent for Hillary (since she literally couldn't win against anyone fairly).
 
Old 01-30-2017, 09:24 PM
 
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The Democrats refused to give Bernie debates and they told the media to slander him. They were also the ones who told the media to boost Donald Trump because they thought he would be an easy opponent for Hillary (since she literally couldn't win against anyone fairly).
And that is another reason why i said Democrats are corrupt, owned by corporate donors and special interests, they manipulate their gullible base to fall for every trick in the book. The fact that Trump won the nomination despite him calling out the GOP establishment shows they are the lesser corrupt party in the country.
 
Old 01-30-2017, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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And that is another reason why i said Democrats are corrupt, owned by corporate donors and special interests, they manipulate their gullible base to fall for every trick in the book. The fact that Trump won the nomination despite him calling out the GOP establishment shows they are the lesser corrupt party in the country.
oh for crying out loud.

That is the biggest load of baloney ever.

If you think money isn't following Trump and there is no special interests on either side of the fence (and especially around Trump), then you are by far the gullible one here.

Trump is a special interest within himself, hence the ethical concerns raise with him not giving up ownership of his companies, while president. There is a reason there is a history of blind trusts.

Then to round that out his cabinet is full of billionaires... literal billionaires. They are the special interests of special interests. The first thing they are doing after is regulations that might slightly lower profits, but could erode short and long-term environmental protections.

Not to mention how odd it is that the only middle eastern majority Muslim countries left out of this latest ban-snafu are countries he has sizable business ties with... and ironically happen to be countries where most of our foreign terrorists on domestic soil have come from.

So far I have seen nothing -proving- the GOP is magically a less corrupt party. It just shows that voters on the right are going further right. Apparently it is easy to up the crazy after decades of teaching people to ignore facts, make up facts, and just simply distrust anyone who informs people of inconvenient truths (ie. New/Media, Academics, science, etc...)


But no special interests follow power and it is always a problem. Most of the aggressive Republican policies Trump if supporting and pursuing are designed to appease special interests, lower taxes for the richest already paying extremely low taxes, and erode important protections for our society and environment.
 
Old 01-30-2017, 10:52 PM
 
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And that is another reason why i said Democrats are corrupt, owned by corporate donors and special interests, they manipulate their gullible base to fall for every trick in the book. The fact that Trump won the nomination despite him calling out the GOP establishment shows they are the lesser corrupt party in the country.
Again umm noo

The republican party is literally the party of big businesses, they are all for corporate interest influencing Washington. literally the party ideology is base on that. Do you even understand Republican and Democrat party philosophy?
So it weird calling Democrat corrupt for being influence by corporate interest when that literally what Republican Party stand for.

Bernie criticize Hilary basically for acting like a Republican. but Hilary in general had to many war wound for being a public figure for so long. And she really wasn't a very enthusiastic candidate.

Trump criticize the republican party was base his narcissism literally every time he lost a primary he would call the Republican party corrupt.

He won the republican party because he's a celebrity saying right wing stuff to a right wing base. He continue his random rants of calling everything corrupt by criticizing Hilary with everything that he is, a elitist, in for corporate interest.
Which brings me back to trump.......... let me get this straight your still trying to criticize Hillary even tho she lost and gone........... for being "owned by corporate donors and special interests" even though the president right

Made his cabinet full of Billions
Donald Trump faces Senate backlash over ‘cabinet of billionaires

Plan is cut taxes for the rich
Trump's Promises to Corporate Leaders: Lower Taxes and Fewer Regulations

And not releasing taxes returns.
Conway: Trump will not release tax returns

And literally just recently sue for Fraud.
Trump settles fraud case against Trump University for $25M

Do really care about "corrupt, owned by corporate donors and special interests," really? nope

Your trying criticize Democrats with the Democrat Party platform, and give support to republicans for it.. when they are literally against it. I'm not a rocket scientist but something tell me you don't care about those issues.............. You pretty much a Trump super fan and just want argue against democrats.
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