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Old 08-02-2017, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Great point red92s. Being formulaic is what bothers most about chains and it is probably what will keep them away from the Beltline, generally speaking. I kinda doubt their criteria involves pedestrians highways like the Beltline.
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Old 08-02-2017, 08:43 AM
 
Location: N.C. for now... Atlanta future
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I'm not too worried about it. Those chain restaurants love catering to car drivers and want big parking lots. I've seen very few of those restaurants in locations other than stand-alone with parking lots on major highways. There might be a few in malls (I've not seen any in the malls I've been in aside from Cheesecake Factory and one Ruby Tuesday) and in a few downtowns (NYC probably has quite a few). I doubt that they would desire a BeltLine location due to no automobile traffic.

It COULD happen but I doubt it. At least not under their current business model. Who knows, maybe they will adopt a new concept though. I still feel that chains should be zoned against. The BeltLine needs to encourage locals.
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Atlanta and St Simons Island, GA
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Haven't you realized the gentrification cycle yet?

People move to new areas and push up real estate prices to the point where only chains can afford them. Then more condos are built to try to capitalize on rising land value.

Over time, gentrified areas are transformed into the very same sterile environments that their earliest residents were so desperate to escape from.
There are countless examples of this, even within this city. It happens fastest when you have an oligarchy of landlords in an area that can organize and set rents.
A prime example of this is the commercial district of one of my former residences, Winter Park, FL. In the 80's, Park Avenue was lined with creative, independent retailers. There were, however, only two or three families that owned the street. WP's increasing popularity brought the attention of high-end chain retailers, and the $$$ they offered were too much for the landlords to resist. By 2000, The mom-and-pops were virtually gone, and with them a lot of the street's personality. Same goes for Buckhead Village, when rents quickly escalated to the point that only bars and restaurants could generate the dollar volume to make it.
You can already see the edges being sanded off of districts like Decatur, Little Five Points and Virginia-Highland.
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:18 AM
 
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There are countless examples of this, even within this city. It happens fastest when you have an oligarchy of landlords in an area that can organize and set rents.
A prime example of this is the commercial district of one of my former residences, Winter Park, FL. In the 80's, Park Avenue was lined with creative, independent retailers. There were, however, only two or three families that owned the street. WP's increasing popularity brought the attention of high-end chain retailers, and the $$$ they offered were too much for the landlords to resist. By 2000, The mom-and-pops were virtually gone, and with them a lot of the street's personality. Same goes for Buckhead Village, when rents quickly escalated to the point that only bars and restaurants could generate the dollar volume to make it.
You can already see the edges being sanded off of districts like Decatur, Little Five Points and Virginia-Highland.
Very true, LD. Sam Massell has been on a crusade in Buckhead to save the local businesses and Mom & Pop stores, but it's an uphill battle when the big money rolls in.
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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The title of this thread plays into the stigma that the suburbs are nothing but boring, lackluster chain restaurants; which it is not and changing with intown restaurants opening up additional locations in the premier mixed-use developments of the suburbs. When I hear the title of the thread, I was thinking strip malls, parking lots, and cul de sacs; not national chains. But the BeltLine already has national chains along it; William and Sonoma (PCM), Chipotle (Ponce), Krogers, WH (Glenwood Park), Chick Fil A (Glenwood Park), Midtown Place S/C, Midtown Promenade, whatever Fuqua brings to Madison Yard, Cascade Citi Center S/C.
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Old 08-02-2017, 10:16 AM
 
Location: City of Atlanta
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The title of this thread plays into the stigma that the suburbs are nothing but boring, lackluster chain restaurants; which it is not and changing with intown restaurants opening up additional locations in the premier mixed-use developments of the suburbs. When I hear the title of the thread, I was thinking strip malls, parking lots, and cul de sacs; not national chains. But the BeltLine already has national chains along it; William and Sonoma (PCM), Chipotle (Ponce), Krogers, WH (Glenwood Park), Chick Fil A (Glenwood Park), Midtown Place S/C, Midtown Promenade, whatever Fuqua brings to Madison Yard, Cascade Citi Center S/C.
Fair enough, but when I picture the suburbs and the businesses there, the chains pop to mind before the mom and pop places. That's the landscape most associated with chains.
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Old 08-02-2017, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Johns Creek area
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Fair enough, but when I picture the suburbs and the businesses there, the chains pop to mind before the mom and pop places. That's the landscape most associated with chains.

Spend some time out here! I think that you, like I was, will be pleasantly surprised!
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Old 08-02-2017, 11:41 AM
 
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Why do people act like chains don't exist in big urban cities? I can find plenty of Micky Ds', Burger Kings, Olive Gardens and other fast food crap in Manhattan or Brooklyn.
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Old 08-02-2017, 12:18 PM
 
Location: City of Atlanta
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Why do people act like chains don't exist in big urban cities? I can find plenty of Micky Ds', Burger Kings, Olive Gardens and other fast food crap in Manhattan or Brooklyn.
Nobody's claiming otherwise. The point I'm raising is that the Beltline has thus far been able to retain its local flavor. Can it do that going forward given its massive success is the question on my mind.
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Old 08-02-2017, 12:21 PM
 
Location: City of Atlanta
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Spend some time out here! I think that you, like I was, will be pleasantly surprised!
No doubt. I know of some great places in the suburbs.
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