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Old 09-05-2017, 10:30 AM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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Interesting, facts say otherwise.

You know, I'd drop this if someone could show me something that says that portions of the Clifton Corridor was intended to be funded without money from other jurisdictions. But I don't think that will happen, cause everything I have ever seen says the complete opposite. A new version of reality is being pushed though, now that Emory wants some of our transit money...
Except Emory would not be in an "other jurisdiction" once the annexation went through.
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Old 09-05-2017, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Except Emory would not be in an "other jurisdiction" once the annexation went through.
Right, that's a fun little work around that allows them to tap into billions of transit dollars. That shouldn't be legal, that's not what the voters were told would happen when they approved these funds.
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Old 09-05-2017, 12:58 PM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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Right, that's a fun little work around that allows them to tap into billions of transit dollars. That shouldn't be legal, that's not what the voters were told would happen when they approved these funds.
Technically, we were told that it was. We voted to fund the portion of the Cilfton Corridor within the CoA's boundaries. The referendum never stated otherwise, and certainly didn't state "boundaries as of 11/8/16."

Your real beef should be with Fran Millar nixing the MARTA referendum for the rest of DeKalb County.
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Old 09-05-2017, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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There was no open discussion with voters about Emory possibly being annexed into the CoA, therefore making the CC possible w.o Dekalb. To pull a stunt like this is very deceptive.

The CC was mentioned on the project list as an option if Dekalb would join in on this multi-jurisdictional project. Considering the overwhelming majority of the project lies within Dekalb County, it wouldn't make any sense for Atlanta to fund what is likely over half the cost of this project.
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Old 09-05-2017, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Right, that's a fun little work around that allows them to tap into billions of transit dollars. That shouldn't be legal, that's not what the voters were told would happen when they approved these funds.
Phase 1 of Clifton Corridor was on the project list, as a multi-jurisdictional project. What should not be legal is Nathaniel Smith's push for using % of the Atlanta Transit Sales Tax to fund the Living Transit Fund
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Old 09-05-2017, 01:54 PM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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There was no open discussion with voters about Emory possibly being annexed into the CoA, therefore making the CC possible w.o Dekalb. To pull a stunt like this is very deceptive.

The CC was mentioned on the project list as an option if Dekalb would join in on this multi-jurisdictional project. Considering the overwhelming majority of the project lies within Dekalb County, it wouldn't make any sense for Atlanta to fund what is likely over half the cost of this project.
Sounds like you're assuming that the CoA would be funding portions of the Clifton Corridor east of Emory and the CDC, which would be outside the city's boundaries. Atlanta would only be funding the additional 1 to 1 1/2 miles beyond the existing city limits.
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Old 09-05-2017, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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Interesting, facts say otherwise.

You know, I'd drop this if someone could show me something that says that portions of the Clifton Corridor was intended to be funded without money from other jurisdictions. But I don't think that will happen, cause everything I have ever seen says the complete opposite. A new version of reality is being pushed though, now that Emory wants some of our transit money...
Not really. They might could have been made more clear, but they do not stand nearly as contrarily as you seem to think.

As you can see in any of the project lists, and the maps, the City of Atlanta money was to fund the first four miles of the Clifton Corridor, regardless of the city limits. The full funding was dependent on DeKalb joining, hense the statements about waiting on funding as a multi-jurisdictional project.

That money was, no matter what, going to be set aside. The ONLY thing that Emory's joining actually changes, is that we can actually move forward with phase 1's implementation without DeKalb, using money that was always going to be set aside.


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Sounds like you're assuming that the CoA would be funding portions of the Clifton Corridor east of Emory and the CDC, which would be outside the city's boundaries. Atlanta would only be funding the additional 1 to 1 1/2 miles beyond the existing city limits.
Which was part of the advertised project list, made publicly available to everyone before the vote.

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Technically, we were told that it was. We voted to fund the portion of the Cilfton Corridor within the CoA's boundaries. The referendum never stated otherwise, and certainly didn't state "boundaries as of 11/8/16."

Your real beef should be with Fran Millar nixing the MARTA referendum for the rest of DeKalb County.
This isn't even really right. We voted to fund the first four miles of the Clifton Corridor, regardless of the boundaries. That was shown well in advance in the presentations and maps.

That's because DeKalb likely wouldn't be able to afford it fully on their own and also get the I-20 East expansions built. The Clifton Corridor is quite important to the City as well as DeKalb. To act like we're somehow being tricked is ridiculous.
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Old 09-05-2017, 08:26 PM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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This isn't even really right. We voted to fund the first four miles of the Clifton Corridor, regardless of the boundaries. That was shown well in advance in the presentations and maps.

That's because DeKalb likely wouldn't be able to afford it fully on their own and also get the I-20 East expansions built. The Clifton Corridor is quite important to the City as well as DeKalb. To act like we're somehow being tricked is ridiculous.
My mistake, I got confused.

FWIW, I do support the annexation and the subsequent CC extension.
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Old 09-05-2017, 08:51 PM
 
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Old 09-05-2017, 09:57 PM
 
Location: atlanta
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so is this still the "streetcars running in lanes on clifton road" plan, or is exclusive right-of-way back on the table?
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