Mayor Reed says Atlanta streets named for Confederates will be renamed

[Born 2 Roll]

Originally Posted by AtlantaIsHot

Needs to be blocked by the state government somehow. This Orwellian crap is getting frightening... America has gone nuts...

This comment raises an important point.

...That changing, altering and/or removing Confederate-themed monuments is technically illegal under Georgia state law.

...A state law that came about as a result of a compromise during the push to remove the Confederate battle emblem from the Georgia state flag in 2001.

Because of the City of Atlanta's size, national media visibility and importance to Georgia's economy, the city sometimes is able to get away with bending state laws and violating state political and social norms that other less-conservative municipalities might not be able to get away with in this generally deeply conservative state.

Though there are undoubtedly many onlookers both inside and outside of the I-285 Perimeter who are going to be very unhappy with this effort to remove all Confederate iconography and references from public spaces within the Atlanta city limits, it is not immediately clear at this time what official reaction, if any, there might be by Georgia state officials to this growing effort by Atlanta city officials and Atlanta residents to remove Confederate iconography.

Though just because there has not yet been an official reaction by Georgia state officials to this issue does not mean there will be no reaction to this City of Atlanta effort to remove Confederate iconography at the state level.

As I alluded to in my previous post, there is a massive mid-term election next year, a massive mid-term election which includes very big primary and general election races for important statewide offices like Georgia governor.

One probably should and probably can expect this growing effort by City of Atlanta officials and residents to remove all Confederate iconography from City of Atlanta environs to become a major issue during the coming statewide/mid-term election cycle in a state in Georgia that Donald Trump won during the 2016 presidential election and where Donald Trump remains very popular with the outer-suburban, exurban and rural voters who dominate Georgia's state political apparatus.

Though one should also keep in mind that the fact that the removal of Confederate statues, monuments and iconography may be illegal under Georgia state law does not mean the effort to remove Confederate monuments and iconography will stop.

The people who are driving the movement to remove Confederate iconography from more liberal/progressive localities understandably have a genuine dislike of the Confederacy and all that it stood for and they generally have much support from the public in the areas that they are pushing to remove Confederate statues, monuments and iconography from public spaces.

This movement to remove Confederate iconography from public spaces amped up dramatically after the shooting massacre by a Confederate battle flag brandishing white supremacist of the predominantly black congregation at Emanuel A.M.E. Church in Charleston, South Carolina in 2015 and went to a new level in many places in response to the combination of the rise of the Trump-led white nationalist movement and the violent white supremacist rally in Charlottesville in August 2017... A violent white supremacist rally where the participants cited the defense of Confederate monuments as the main motivation for the gathering... A gathering and near-takeover of a city by white supremacists which frankly scared the daylights out of A LOT of people nationwide and turned many people against Confederate iconography.

State laws like the one in Georgia that prevents the removal, alteration, covering of Confederate monuments and iconography in public spaces might be able to prevent local residents and municipalities like the City of Atlanta from removing and altering public Confederate iconography by force of law, but it can't stop people from wanting and intensely desiring to remove Confederate monuments and iconography from the localities where it may not be wanted by a very large portion of the local population.

State laws like the one in Georgia also cannot and will not prevent the growing debate from raging on about the continued placement of Confederate statues in public spaces in localities where they may not be wanted by a large and growing portion of the population.

[tikigod311]

Thanks for that quality analysis B2R.

It's going to be interesting to see how this issue will clash with Georgia's desire to be (and success with) being a business friendly state. I think Amazon and the film industry would be turned off to pick a place who enforces honoring confederate names.

I think business friendly interests will prevail, there's too much to lose. Hopefully business will force some progress here

[cqholt]

What's more Atlanta than #MARTAbus covering Stone Mountain monument?
https://www.change.org/p/marta-repla...with-marta-bus

[Pemgin]

Originally Posted by AtlantaIsHot

Needs to be blocked by the state government somehow. This Orwellian crap is getting frightening... America has gone nuts...

Conservatives. Pro-small government and local control.....until local government does something they don't like.

[AcidSnake]

Originally Posted by AtlantaIsHot

Needs to be blocked by the state government somehow. This Orwellian crap is getting frightening... America has gone nuts...

Orwellian???

Those good ol' boy goober doofuses running the state capitol right now...are some of the most Orwellian jerks out there!!!!

They capitulate to the corrupt monster mega-corporations...every chance they get. And these corporations do nothing but push social engineering 24/7!!!!

Seriously buddy, you need to get your facts straight!

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll

This comment raises an important point.

...That changing, altering and/or removing Confederate-themed monuments is technically illegal under Georgia state law.

...A state law that came about as a result of a compromise during the push to remove the Confederate battle emblem from the Georgia state flag in 2001.

Because of the City of Atlanta's size, national media visibility and importance to Georgia's economy, the city sometimes is able to get away with bending state laws and violating state political and social norms that other less-conservative municipalities might not be able to get away with in this generally deeply conservative state.

Though there are undoubtedly many onlookers both inside and outside of the I-285 Perimeter who are going to be very unhappy with this effort to remove all Confederate iconography and references from public spaces within the Atlanta city limits, it is not immediately clear at this time what official reaction, if any, there might be by Georgia state officials to this growing effort by Atlanta city officials and Atlanta residents to remove Confederate iconography.

Though just because there has not yet been an official reaction by Georgia state officials to this issue does not mean there will be no reaction to this City of Atlanta effort to remove Confederate iconography at the state level.

As I alluded to in my previous post, there is a massive mid-term election next year, a massive mid-term election which includes very big primary and general election races for important statewide offices like Georgia governor.

One probably should and probably can expect this growing effort by City of Atlanta officials and residents to remove all Confederate iconography from City of Atlanta environs to become a major issue during the coming statewide/mid-term election cycle in a state in Georgia that Donald Trump won during the 2016 presidential election and where Donald Trump remains very popular with the outer-suburban, exurban and rural voters who dominate Georgia's state political apparatus.

Though one should also keep in mind that the fact that the removal of Confederate statues, monuments and iconography may be illegal under Georgia state law does not mean the effort to remove Confederate monuments and iconography will stop.

The people who are driving the movement to remove Confederate iconography from more liberal/progressive localities understandably have a genuine dislike of the Confederacy and all that it stood for and they generally have much support from the public in the areas that they are pushing to remove Confederate statues, monuments and iconography from public spaces.

This movement to remove Confederate iconography from public spaces amped up dramatically after the shooting massacre by a Confederate battle flag brandishing white supremacist of the predominantly black congregation at Emanuel A.M.E. Church in Charleston, South Carolina in 2015 and went to a new level in many places in response to the combination of the rise of the Trump-led white nationalist movement and the violent white supremacist rally in Charlottesville in August 2017... A violent white supremacist rally where the participants cited the defense of Confederate monuments as the main motivation for the gathering... A gathering and near-takeover of a city by white supremacists which frankly scared the daylights out of A LOT of people nationwide and turned many people against Confederate iconography.

State laws like the one in Georgia that prevents the removal, alteration, covering of Confederate monuments and iconography in public spaces might be able to prevent local residents and municipalities like the City of Atlanta from removing and altering public Confederate iconography by force of law, but it can't stop people from wanting and intensely desiring to remove Confederate monuments and iconography from the localities where it may not be wanted by a very large portion of the local population.

State laws like the one in Georgia also cannot and will not prevent the growing debate from raging on about the continued placement of Confederate statues in public spaces in localities where they may not be wanted by a large and growing portion of the population.

Issue like this was even bigger in Virginia, It got huge national coverage Charlestonville it can't get bigger than that

The Republican Gov candidate for governor ran a pro CSA campign, calling CSA "heitage" trying to appeal to the right wing...........


Virginia Republican gubernatorial candidate calls Confederate statues “our identity”

Ed Gillespie, GOP candidate in Virginia governor’s race, campaigns on keeping Confederate statues

Trump again tweets on Va. governor’s race, says Gillespie will protect ‘our great statues/heritage

Results............. Not only did he lost, but Democrats pick up 16 VA state seats.....


After Hilary lost there big this were negative.

That Trump won because he popular........ no, Trump poll numbers are still terrible, he won because the last week going in Hilary was even less popular. The re opening of her case happen at worst time possible. But two candidates with were going against each other were the biggest motive was vote against the other candidate than voting in support of the candidate they voted.

wisconsin
R D. Trump 47.9%
D H. Clinton 46.9%

michigan
R D. Trump 47.6%
D H. Clinton 47.3%

pennsylvania
R D. Trump 49.1%
D H. Clinton 47.8%

Florida
R D. Trump 48.8%
D H. Clinton 47.6%

He won several states razor thin, this why he lost the popular vote.

The reason I bring this up because right after he won the election the was immediately the idea by the right that he won because he's popular and Most America approve his white national rhetoric.

No, the reason his polls numbers are staying around 30 - 40%,......... beside he extremely partisan like Democrats are not Americans as if he doesn't suppose to listen to half the country at all, Which takes away 50%...... The rest are independents and Republicans, this means he has a dip in moderate indies and Republicans. That voted for him to give a "chance" that he would not gov the ways he campaign. That he would prove people wrong and become more presidential.

Him trying to pander to the far right, is alienating indie and some moderated republicans, in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Wisconsin. States he needs. So the more he pander to this white nationalistic stuff he's actually doing Dems a favors. With him being presidential he can no longer run being an outsides and blame Washington, he is now Washington.

Geoegia issue more rest of Dems actually getting out. Dems don't get out or believe there vote matter, when actually the demographics are in Dem favor. but by not voting they give counties and districts to republicans.

Georgia Dems have to wake up like VA. All Dems need to put out better candidate