Gulch Development Site Plan (Atlanta, East Point: transfer to, to buy, airport)

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

So, your answer is, that lot stays as is until the MMPT is built. If the MMPT is never built, that lot never gets used.

As long as the growth projections for our metro, and the Piedmont-Atlantic region as a whole keep up as they are, then yes. The need for the transportation hub is far greater than the need for the Gulch to be filled in in general.

Huh?

The city and state should step in to prevent the loss of opportunity.

So, we've waited for ten years, and now we have to wait for another five before we find out if this can even move forward. Jeez.

Almost like the MMPT is important, or something, and shouldn't just be discarded. Go figure.

All these things hinging on it, and it's barely a footnote, hardly talked about? That's just weird.

I agree, but once more, the action, or lack there of, on something does not change the importance of that thing.

Is there a word that is more hyperbolic than "hyperbolic"? National importance?

I don't know what to tell you other than things that affect national-level systems are nationally important. That's not hyperbolic, it's calling it like it is.

It was shown that it's as big as two of New York City's largest terminals added together. A city built for more than a century around transit with millions of daily commuters. More than half of Metro Atlanta's population rides the NYC subway every day. Almost, if not more than, a million ride commuter rail there every day. More than two million ride the bus every day. It's not even a remotely-apt comparison to even the wildest expectations of Atlanta's transit ridership.

I mean, as I pointed out earlier, you're ignoring the fact that NYC has more than those two terminals to handle the entire transit load that you're describing.

Not nearly all of that ridership and traffic flows through the two terminals we're discussing. Nor is the MMPT even as big as the two terminals added together, who take up more land area than the MMPT would.

You're further ignoring the projected metro and regional growth. The MMPT, as with all infrastructure, is for tomorrow as much as it is for today. Even if it wouldn't be used at capacity tomorrow, that's not a reason why it shouldn't be built as planned. It's for decades from now, when we've added millions more people to the metro, and hundreds of thousands more to the core city. When the rest of the Piedmont Atlantic has grown as well, and connections between places become ever more needed.

We build capacity today so that we aren't out of options later when it's really needed.

Then make it happen. But hurry.

But, I still say you put the MMPT operation on lower levels and then put development on top of it. It seems ridiculous in that area to have a two story tall facility over a hundred acres.

I've pointed out before that the MMPT plan comes with development both physically on it and around it.

What roads in downtown are large enough to support separated BRT.

Pair off the large one-way avenues. Courtland & Piedmont to Capitol will be the primary one, perhaps with lanes on MLK and Mitchell dedicated to buses for the approach to the MMPT. That or turn Alabama into a transit and ped only street. Northside Dr will be close enough to allow for a short jog over for BRT services as well. Both of these are, right this second, planned and funded to some extent as BRT corridors.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by fourthwarden

As long as the growth projections for our metro, and the Piedmont-Atlantic region as a whole keep up as they are, then yes. The need for the transportation hub is far greater than the need for the Gulch to be filled in in general.

I would say hub or hubs. The MMTP doesn't necessarily have to be at the Gulch.

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by arjay57

I would say hub or hubs. The MMTP doesn't necessarily have to be at the Gulch.

Is there another geographically central location that has lots of land available that also happens to be centrally located to the national rail network, transit network, and road network?

Yes there will be more hubs than the MMPT, such as Cumberland, Doraville, and Armor, but they aren't replacements for a central downtown hub.

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by fourthwarden

Is there another geographically central location that has lots of land available that also happens to be centrally located to the national rail network, transit network, and road network?

Home - Armour Yards

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by Iconographer

Home - Armour Yards

Except for the whole being central to the transit, national rail, and road network parts.

It's way away from the Green & Blue Lines, away from the planned core light rail lines, away from the planned BRT lines' center box, away from the downtown destination of most commuter buses, away from the central city bus hub, and is away from the intersect of the three major interstates.

[cparker73]

Armour Yards doesn't make any sense. There isn't a city in the world with a serious train system without a central station in the core of the city. The Brookwood Amtrak station doesn't even qualify as central. A train traveler should be able to get off the train and walk a reasonable distance to a major destination like the stadium, convention center, hotels, and office buildings.

[cqholt]

Any report of feedback from the meeting on Thursday about this?

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by fourthwarden

Except for the whole being central to the transit, national rail, and road network parts.

It's way away from the Green & Blue Lines, away from the planned core light rail lines, away from the planned BRT lines' center box, away from the downtown destination of most commuter buses, away from the central city bus hub, and is away from the intersect of the three major interstates.

Not saying it's preferable to the Gulch and environs, but you were asking for alternatives and it is very close to Lindbergh Station and the Brookwood Amtrak Station.

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by Iconographer

Not saying it's preferable to the Gulch and environs, but you were asking for alternatives and it is very close to Lindbergh Station and the Brookwood Amtrak Station.

I was more looking for equivalent options. Armor is not one.

It will make a fine local node, but it's just not up for handling the MMPT's proposed service levels.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by fourthwarden

I was more looking for equivalent options. Armor is not one.

It will make a fine local node, but it's just not up for handling the MMPT's proposed service levels.

Agree, I fail to see where the tracks and platforms would go for a MMPT at Armour?