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Old 04-18-2018, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by fourthwarden View Post
The bottom line, though, is that attempting to quarantine density like you want to continue to do simply suppresses total potential density. That, in turn, means more sprawl, which feeds into the issues brought up a couple posts ago with the positive physical affects of density.
Disagree. Manhattan is a fraction of the size of our ITP area. In fact, it fits essentially in the area bounded by Hwy 78, I-85 (north spur), and I-285. It houses many times the number of people in the entire city of Atlanta. We don't need to sprawl simply because we keep our dense areas more consolidated.

See, it may feel spread out to allow density throughout the city, but it's far more concentrated than the inevitable resulting sprawl if we try to continue to suppress and quarantine density in general. New condos or apartment blocks within the city, even if they're not off one of the main corridors or in one of the clusters, is still better than sticking that same block, or worse yet the equivalent number of housing units in a subdivision, way out in one of the suburbs.
Maybe, but again: if you have all those apartment buildings dotted all over creation, you will create more traffic and congestion, unless you somehow manage to cover the entire city with a frequent, multi-directional bus or rail service and even better, convince everyone to ride it.

However, if you consolidate your density, you create the ability for more businesses and jobs to locate to those centers, as they have the density to support them, and can more effectively run transit between them without needing a massive city-wide mesh of frequent transit every few blocks. That massive mesh would likely never be sustainable.

As to doubling or tripping the city's density over all, that actually would do wonders for enabling more walkability. Basically, it would mean the city would have an equivalent density a bit less than Atkins Park & Poncy Highland. That level of density would 100% enable some fantastic frequent buses, strong bike use, and walkability if the build-environment was set up for it.
In an ultimate dream scenario, maybe. But frequent busses on that scale would probably be prohibitively expensive, and i just don't see enough job and business buildup to make that scale of walkability, at least enough to actually reduce traffic.

In other words...it just sounds like a terrible, poorly-thought-out idea.
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Old 04-19-2018, 05:28 PM
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So you are aspiring for Atlanta to have the same level of affordability as Manhattan?

Atlanta has a great opportunity to remain affordable as we do not have the geographic barriers limiting housing supply as many other cities, however we currently have artificial / zoning barriers that we have imposed on ourselves that are limiting supply and driving up price unless we do something about them.
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