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View Poll Results: Are you in favor of Greenhaven
No to Greenhaven 10 58.82%
Wait for more studies 2 11.76%
Annex into another City 6 35.29%
Yes to Greenhaven 2 11.76%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 17. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 05-11-2018, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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The City of Greenhaven is coming back...again. It's a zombie. Josh McKoon, a Republican that has advocated for voter suppression rules was chosen by Kathryn Rice, the de facto leader of this awful idea of a city of 300,000. They couldn't get a Democrat in either the Georgia House or the Senate to sponsor their bill for 2019. The irony in Kathryn Rice choosing McKoon, a State Senator from the Augusta area, you know about 2 miles East of DeKalb County, is that she is claiming that their vote is being repressed, yet she never mentions the fact that their is overwhelming opposition for this new city.

Why I Oppose Greenhaven: Top 5 reasons
1. Greenhaven will increase our taxes. They will use franchisee fees that will nickel and dime you with $10 more on your cable, $18 more on your cell phone, $5 on your gas, $7 on your electric bill, etc.
2. Greenhaven will decrease our property values. Want to live in an area named Atlanta, Decatur or Greenhaven?
3. Greenhaven will offer the most minimal services.
4. The citizens within the proposed Greenhaven boundary were not asked if they wanted to be
included in the Greenhaven proposal. It's a power grab.
5. Greenhavenís feasibility study has fatal flaws and was produced over 5 years ago.

Last year at the Governmental Affairs Meeting where they were deciding if Greenhaven would go up for a vote the public was allowed 1 minute to respond each. There were 10 to every 1 against Greenhaven. Kathryn Rice is trying to pose this as a racial issue, but the opposition is a coalition of black, white, young and old.

There are three groups in opposition. Neighbors Against Greenhaven (not sure if I can post their websites or not), Concerned Citizens Against Cityhood in DeKalb (they should really work on branding) and No2Greenhaven. Combined these groups have nearly 1500 Facebook members. Greenhaven after 5 years doesn't even have 200.

Kathryn Rice is very savvy. She got CH2MHill to fund their lobbyist, Smith Hall Booth, one of the most expensive lobbyist in the Southeast. They did this without any fundraisers, and Brad Carver, Senior Managing Director at Smith Hall Booth bragged about it. If Greenhaven becomes a city CH2MHill will receive millions of dollars in contracts and Kathryn Rice will become Mayor. Kathryn Rice ran for DeKalb County Commissioner and received only 500 votes. She was up for Lee May's position but all of the black DeKalb County commissioners voted against her and all of the white commissioners voted for her. I can pull all of the AJC articles that proof all of this.
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Old 05-11-2018, 09:23 PM
 
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I support Greenhaven. I think all of DeKalb should just incorporate so we don't have the redundant county taxes living in a city. I also think services would improve for people in the area, I have friends that live there and they say police and other services suck.

Finally, I would like them to incorporate because I don't want Atlanta to eventually annex them. Most of the area that makes up Greenhaven is pretty high crime, and APD is already spread thin. Once Greenhaven incorporates we won't have to worry about Atlanta annexing any of it.
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Old 05-11-2018, 10:31 PM
 
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I wonder how much money has been spent in these last years of failure and how much could have gone to funding an off-duty officer or figuring out what to do with its array of green space.
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Old 05-11-2018, 11:27 PM
 
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No to Greenhaven.

Annexation by other cities (Decatur, Avondale Estates, Stone Mountain, Clarkston, Atlanta, Pine Lake).

Creation of new cities (Panthersville, Arabia Mountain, Redan).
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Old 05-11-2018, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, Birmingham, Charlotte, and Raleigh
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For the umteenth time, Atlanta owns several hundreds of acres within southwestern DeKalb that is home to the Atlanta Watershed Management Intrenchment Creek Water Reclamation Center, and Old Atlanta Prison Farm. It does not make any sense for something owned by the City of Atlanta nor the adjacent areas like Constitution, Gresham Park, and Candler-McAfee to be in some other jurisdiction.

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Old 05-12-2018, 11:09 AM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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Greenhaven needs to die and the unincorporated areas be annexed by other cities.
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Old 05-12-2018, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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People don’t realize how large the stupid city name of Greenhaven would be. We’re talking edge of Stone Mountain down Memorial to East Lake. Then the parts of East Atlanta that aren’t City of Atlanta ALL the way down to the part of DeKalb that touches Henry and Clayton then east to the part of DeKalb to the Rockdale County line.
It’s gonna be huuuge.
30032, 30316, 30030 and parts of 30034 are doing just fine being unincorporated. Our property values are shooting through the roof. 30032 includes East Lake Meadow, Belvedere Park, Meadowbrook Acres and have increased 20% EACH year for the last 3 years, though starting from a lower base. Atlanta in DeKalb 30316 has risen 10-15%. I call this central DeKalb. Nobody there wants Greenhaven. Black and white people don’t want it, especially us elderly black folks don’t want to be annexed into city of Atlanta. The white Millennials are the ones that want annexation and that’s only to escape Greenhaven. At every meeting held by Rep. Mosby, Rep. Gail Davenport and Rep. Bee Nyugen and DeKalb legislators, 90% of the blacks folks don’t want f’ing Greenhaven and 100% of the white folks didn’t want it. Just reporting not making an opinion.

If y’all took out Gresham Park, East Atlanta, Belvedere Park, Snapfinger, then Greenhaven might have a chance, but they won’t cause they need our tax dollars. It doesn’t work without. Plain and simple.
Kathryn Rice left the Pittsburg area economic group under cloudy circumstances and won’t discuss why. Her big deal is economic development. Have you been to Pittsburg area lately. It’s worse off now.

Leave DeKalb unincorporated. Greenhaven sounds like a retirement home.
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Old 05-12-2018, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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Originally Posted by aries4118 View Post
No to Greenhaven.

Annexation by other cities (Decatur, Avondale Estates, Stone Mountain, Clarkston, Atlanta, Pine Lake).

Creation of new cities (Panthersville, Arabia Mountain, Redan).
This.
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Old 05-12-2018, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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This.
Decatur can't and won't take any more homes. Their schools are overcrowded and they don't have any more rooms to expand. The unincorporated areas adjacent to City of Decatur, where prices have skyrocketed, have some many kids now that it would overwhelm City of Decatur so they would never take them 1) because they have no commercial tax base and 2) even more families with kids with would start to move in and lastly 3) what about the senior citizens that that still live over there who many PAID to send their kids to City of Decatur and their grown now and don't want to be a part of the City of Decatur. Think of others and not just yourself.
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Old 05-13-2018, 12:17 AM
 
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Decatur can't and won't take any more homes. Their schools are overcrowded and they don't have any more rooms to expand. The unincorporated areas adjacent to City of Decatur, where prices have skyrocketed, have some many kids now that it would overwhelm City of Decatur so they would never take them 1) because they have no commercial tax base and 2) even more families with kids with would start to move in and lastly 3) what about the senior citizens that that still live over there who many PAID to send their kids to City of Decatur and their grown now and don't want to be a part of the City of Decatur. Think of others and not just yourself.

No. Wrong.
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