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Old 06-03-2018, 11:30 AM
 
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https://www.myajc.com/news/opinion/o...MiAgUcVG6wezH/

Thoughtful article on getting new transit right:

"A new day for Atlanta transit has arrived, and with new leadership at city hall, the city has the opportunity to reconsider its transit direction to date. Fumbling along with the Beltline as its narrowly focused de facto transit planner and its mostly empty downtown streetcar as its only on-the-ground transit accomplishment, it’s time to get real.
A transit system is about connections between concentrations of origins and destinations – where people are and where they’re trying to get, in which coverage area and frequency of service are the most important factors in boosting ridership. Without ridership, transit becomes infeasible. Only after that kind of analysis does it become useful to consider what mix of transit modes best serves the system, evolving over time from right now on into the future. What do we need, who needs it most, and when do we need it? These questions must include consideration of fast-changing travel behaviors and technologies, like bike/pedestrian, Lyft and Uber, and autonomous vehicles. As part of that analysis, it is essential to consider cost and time of delivery. How are we going to pay for different modes, and how long does it take to deliver them?..."
This article is pretty much a middle finger to Ryan Gravel.
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Old 06-03-2018, 02:12 PM
 
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https://www.myajc.com/news/opinion/o...MiAgUcVG6wezH/

Thoughtful article on getting new transit right:
Dobbins is wrong and is to blame for many of the years of bad planning that took place under his watch. Glad we have better leadership in the planning department now.
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Old 06-03-2018, 03:06 PM
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Dobbins is wrong and is to blame for many of the years of bad planning that took place under his watch. Glad we have better leadership in the planning department now.
What did Atlanta do from 2000 to 2018?
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Old 06-03-2018, 04:57 PM
 
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What did Atlanta do from 2000 to 2018?
Beltline. Started streetcar / light rail. More MARTA. Tim Keane. Atlanta City Design. Zoning Rewrite.

Honestly, those last two are huge and have a hundred different amazing things they work towards. Some of the biggest topics we discuss on this forum from legalizing missing middle housing & more density / housing supply / affordability, to sane parking regulations.

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Old 06-03-2018, 05:05 PM
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Beltline. Started streetcar / light rail. More MARTA. Tim Keane. Atlanta City Design. Zoning Rewrite.

Honestly, those last two are huge and have a hundred different amazing things they work towards. Some of the biggest topics we discuss on this forum from legalizing missing middle housing & more density / housing supply / affordability, to sane parking regulations.
Toy train that does nothing in other words.

There's been no additional heavy rail and little since 1994.

The rest is just talk. And I'm not sure the zoning rewrite is finalized yet?
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Old 06-03-2018, 07:02 PM
 
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Toy train that does nothing in other words.

There's been no additional heavy rail and little since 1994.

The rest is just talk. And I'm not sure the zoning rewrite is finalized yet?
Light rail is where most the expansion should be happening intown. Call it a toy if you want, but it is the better solution. It just needs to be in its own RoW.

Planning / zoning is a lot more than just talk. The bad planning / zoning of the last several decades is the key cause of why Atlanta is so sprawled out and struggling with infrastructure today.

Zoning Rewrite is being done in phases (which is smart).

"Quick fixes / Phase I" (Accessory structure height, Accessory structure size, Accessory uses in Residential (R) Districts, Bike parking standards, Deletion of unused districts, Independent driveways, Multi-Family / Residential General (MR/RG) single and two family minimum lot sizes, Mixed Residential Commercial (MRC) building placement, Unified development plans, Non-conforming minimum façade heights, Special Use Permit (SUP) transfers, Sidewalk requirements, Storage pods in R-districts, Non-conforming plats) are already in the books.

"Phase II" (Accessory Dwellings, Definitions Update, Historic Lot Patterns, Industrial Districts Uses, I-Mix District, Loading Requirements, MRC (Mixed-Residential Commercial)​​, Missing Middle Zoning District, Parking (on-street, shared, old buildings), Neighborhood Design Standards, Telecommunications Updates, Transitional Height Plane Updates, Quality of Life Districts​, Residential Density Increase​) is moving through the system now. Should be law in less than a year.

"Full rewrite / Phase III" (Will create basically all new zoning districts that are more form-based) is still a few years out.

https://www.zoningatl.com/

Honestly, even them just getting through this "phase II" as proposed will bring 90% of the benefits I am hoping for. The new "missing middle" zoning district and parking minimums adjustments are huge.

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Old 06-04-2018, 07:21 AM
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Light rail is where most the expansion should be happening intown. Call it a toy if you want, but it is the better solution. It just needs to be in its own RoW.

Planning / zoning is a lot more than just talk. The bad planning / zoning of the last several decades is the key cause of why Atlanta is so sprawled out and struggling with infrastructure today.

Zoning Rewrite is being done in phases (which is smart).

"Quick fixes / Phase I" (Accessory structure height, Accessory structure size, Accessory uses in Residential (R) Districts, Bike parking standards, Deletion of unused districts, Independent driveways, Multi-Family / Residential General (MR/RG) single and two family minimum lot sizes, Mixed Residential Commercial (MRC) building placement, Unified development plans, Non-conforming minimum façade heights, Special Use Permit (SUP) transfers, Sidewalk requirements, Storage pods in R-districts, Non-conforming plats) are already in the books.

"Phase II" (Accessory Dwellings, Definitions Update, Historic Lot Patterns, Industrial Districts Uses, I-Mix District, Loading Requirements, MRC (Mixed-Residential Commercial)​​, Missing Middle Zoning District, Parking (on-street, shared, old buildings), Neighborhood Design Standards, Telecommunications Updates, Transitional Height Plane Updates, Quality of Life Districts​, Residential Density Increase​) is moving through the system now. Should be law in less than a year.

"Full rewrite / Phase III" (Will create basically all new zoning districts that are more form-based) is still a few years out.

https://www.zoningatl.com/

Honestly, even them just getting through this "phase II" as proposed will bring 90% of the benefits I am hoping for. The new "missing middle" zoning district and parking minimums adjustments are huge.
Making my point. The toy streetcar and the rest is still just talk.
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Old 06-04-2018, 08:44 AM
 
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Making my point. The toy streetcar and the rest is still just talk.
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Old 06-04-2018, 04:20 PM
 
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I'm beginning to agree with bu2 and ol' GTCorndog. There should have been solid plans in place for a phase 2. Right now, the streetcar is less effective than bus service would have been in the same corridor. At minimum, a phase 2 should have been putting shovels in the ground a year after phase 1 opened, ideally the phase 2 groundbreaking should have happened at the same time as the phase 1 grand opening. But it seems like we'll have to wait 3-5 more years before this starter line is any better than a bus.
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Old 06-04-2018, 06:16 PM
 
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Operating in traffic the streetcar is just a big bus with a short route. No one is really denying that. Still, political realities and funding being what they are, still better to have got this short section of LRT funded than none at all. Not accepting the federal grant money because we wanted more would have been a bad idea. And honestly I have be going to Sweet Auburn area a lot recently and the streetcar has been super convenient for that (except for when they decided not to run it the day of the Atlanta United game, which of course was exactly what we went to use it to get to.). But there is pretty steady ridership whenever I have been on it lately. More that you usually see on a typical bus which is pretty good consider how short the route is.
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