U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Georgia > Atlanta
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 06-14-2018, 02:18 PM
 
1,370 posts, read 1,573,925 times
Reputation: 810

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by cqholt View Post
Provide a connection to MARTA's existing Red/Gold line and future Clifton Corridor at Lindbergh Center. That is a huge reason why. Also, rail on this corridor has been a part of ARC's long range transportation planning while SE BeltLine has not. Inclusion in MPO's long range Transportation plan is important to qualify for FTA grants, etc.
The Marta Reps mentioned these facts in the forum a couple of weeks ago. I know everyone here is an expert on all things, but there actually are a logical reasons behind the choices that have been presented.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-14-2018, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
22,193 posts, read 16,201,271 times
Reputation: 4913
Quote:
Originally Posted by bu2 View Post
Are they going to replace the golf course? Are they going to build in Piedmont Park? Are they going to tear down the houses in Ansley Park? That covers the entire western half. There will be zero additional development to the west.

To the east you've got Ansley Mall and a bunch of sfh subdivisions that will fight any conversion of sfh to high density. That leaves you just a handful of lots and Ansley Mall. And the neighborhoods will likely fight any significant densification of those handful of lots.

Nothing much is going to happen there. It isn't going to suddenly start looking like the area around the skate park.
Armour east of the tracks has large amount of underused, industrial property.
No one here is suggesting or supporting the idea of rezoning historic, SFH Ansley Park or Piedmont Heights to higher density. NE BeltLine will provide a connection from Lindbergh Center (along with Red/Gold Line and Clifton Corridor) to residents, employment, and amenities along the BeltLine.
How many posters of CD criticized the Downtown Streetcar and pointed to the fact it should have ran along the EST over downtown?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-14-2018, 02:22 PM
bu2
 
8,981 posts, read 5,689,108 times
Reputation: 3545
Quote:
Originally Posted by cqholt View Post
Provide a connection to MARTA's existing Red/Gold line and future Clifton Corridor at Lindbergh Center. That is a huge reason why. Also, rail on this corridor has been a part of ARC's long range transportation planning while SE BeltLine has not. Inclusion in MPO's long range Transportation plan is important to qualify for FTA grants, etc.
Change the plan to something that makes more sense. And the Clifton corridor doesn't get its traffic from that area. Its from northeast and southeast Dekalb. That's from MARTA's studies of the area.

And it doesn't matter if it connects to the red/gold line if nobody is on it. That connection makes some sense if the area south of Ponce is part of that line.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-14-2018, 02:23 PM
bu2
 
8,981 posts, read 5,689,108 times
Reputation: 3545
Quote:
Originally Posted by cqholt View Post
Armour east of the tracks has large amount of underused, industrial property.
No one here is suggesting or supporting the idea of rezoning historic, SFH Ansley Park or Piedmont Heights to higher density. NE BeltLine will provide a connection from Lindbergh Center (along with Red/Gold Line and Clifton Corridor) to residents, employment, and amenities along the BeltLine.
How many posters of CD criticized the Downtown Streetcar and pointed to the fact it should have ran along the EST over downtown?
And Armour is better served by an infill station on the red/gold lines rather than a circuitous light rail route by Piedmont Park.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-14-2018, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
22,193 posts, read 16,201,271 times
Reputation: 4913
Quote:
Originally Posted by bu2 View Post
And Armour is better served by an infill station on the red/gold lines rather than a circuitous light rail route by Piedmont Park.
Well infill stations are not on the list, so time to move on.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-14-2018, 02:29 PM
bu2
 
8,981 posts, read 5,689,108 times
Reputation: 3545
Quote:
Originally Posted by J2rescue View Post
The Marta Reps mentioned these facts in the forum a couple of weeks ago. I know everyone here is an expert on all things, but there actually are a logical reasons behind the choices that have been presented.
There are reasons. That doesn't mean they are especially logical.

Governments get momentum and do things without stopping and questioning. And there are a lot of politics behind a lot of these decisions. Maybe they like the visibility of being by Piedmont Park. Its a cool idea. But the visibility of the streetcar hasn't been good for the city. Empty trains running by Piedmont Park won't be good for MARTA's image. It will just be fodder for the people who are vociferously anti-transit to make their arguments.

If you want continued support, the start has to be in a place that makes sense for transit reasons and services users.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-14-2018, 02:30 PM
bu2
 
8,981 posts, read 5,689,108 times
Reputation: 3545
Quote:
Originally Posted by cqholt View Post
Well infill stations are not on the list, so time to move on.
Do something that makes little sense because its on the list?

Transit dollars are not unlimited.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-14-2018, 02:30 PM
 
1,370 posts, read 1,573,925 times
Reputation: 810
Quote:
Originally Posted by bu2 View Post
The density and the potential for development is south of Ponce in some of those areas cq has mentioned-O4W, Inman Park, East Atlanta, Glenwood.


I'm not sure I understand what your complaint is. For clarification, this is proposed LRT project list from the More Marta tax. The NE Beltline LRT (A) would connect with the Crosstown Downtown East extenstion (E).





Edit: Here is another image illustrating where the LRT could connect with the Beltline.

https://beltlineorg-wpengine.netdna-...7.2016-web.jpg

Last edited by J2rescue; 06-14-2018 at 02:40 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-14-2018, 02:35 PM
 
1,370 posts, read 1,573,925 times
Reputation: 810
Quote:
Originally Posted by bu2 View Post
There are reasons. That doesn't mean they are especially logical.

Governments get momentum and do things without stopping and questioning. And there are a lot of politics behind a lot of these decisions. Maybe they like the visibility of being by Piedmont Park. Its a cool idea. But the visibility of the streetcar hasn't been good for the city. Empty trains running by Piedmont Park won't be good for MARTA's image. It will just be fodder for the people who are vociferously anti-transit to make their arguments.

If you want continued support, the start has to be in a place that makes sense for transit reasons and services users.
You're right. They aren't necessarily logical but these are the many hoops the city and Marta as well as any other jurisdiction have to jump through in order to expand transit in this country.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-14-2018, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
22,193 posts, read 16,201,271 times
Reputation: 4913
Quote:
Originally Posted by bu2 View Post
There are reasons. That doesn't mean they are especially logical.

Governments get momentum and do things without stopping and questioning. And there are a lot of politics behind a lot of these decisions. Maybe they like the visibility of being by Piedmont Park. Its a cool idea. But the visibility of the streetcar hasn't been good for the city. Empty trains running by Piedmont Park won't be good for MARTA's image. It will just be fodder for the people who are vociferously anti-transit to make their arguments.

If you want continued support, the start has to be in a place that makes sense for transit reasons and services users.
Connecting Lindbergh Center, Red/Gold Lines, and Clifton Corridor with the hugely popular and increasing dense Eastside BeltLine Trail to Downtown is the place to start because density exist, more south of Piedmont Park.
I just can't believe you are complaining about NE BeltLine and have not once spoke about Campbellton Rd's BS 3 projects that total over $400M.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply

Quick Reply
Message:


Options
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2016 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Georgia > Atlanta
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top