Atlanta’s relationship with the automobile is reaching a crossroads. (Boston: purchasing, incomes)

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by J2rescue

You're right. The correct statistic is that Atlanta is the least dense urban area ever (population greater than 4 million). And LOL that Moscow is less dense than Atlanta.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_population

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...es_urban_areas

Re: Moscow. I was looking at the Moscow Oblast, which is apparently something else.

But, anyway...I do have to ask...so?

Originally Posted by bu2

To expand on that:
Atlanta is the least dense of the top 37 urban areas. Only Charlotte is less dense among the top 50. Before #38 Charlotte, Pittsburg is the only area within 20% of Atlanta's density. Poster children for sprawl-Dallas, Houston and Phoenix, are 69%, 75% and 85% MORE dense than Atlanta.

Atlanta has the second-largest urban area in the entire country? It's 76.6% the size of NYC's urban area, but is apparently 8.3% larger than Chicago, 33.5% larger than Philly, 41.2% larger than Boston, 48.7% larger than DFW, 52.4% larger than LA, and 59.4% larger than Houston. Yet, it's metro area is dwarfed by many of those city's metro areas. Bizarre. And some cities which have a higher urban density have a much lower metro density. So, really, what are we so upset about again?

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by bu2

To expand on that:
Atlanta is the least dense of the top 37 urban areas. Only Charlotte is less dense among the top 50. Before #38 Charlotte, Pittsburg is the only area within 20% of Atlanta's density. Poster children for sprawl-Dallas, Houston and Phoenix, are 69%, 75% and 85% MORE dense than Atlanta.

We put value on having a little ER down here.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by arjay57

We put value on having a little ER down here.

And development is spotty, not continuous. There are also big light industrial areas that have limited development along the various railroad corridors.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

Re: Moscow. I was looking at the Moscow Oblast, which is apparently something else.

But, anyway...I do have to ask...so?



Atlanta has the second-largest urban area in the entire country? It's 76.6% the size of NYC's urban area, but is apparently 8.3% larger than Chicago, 33.5% larger than Philly, 41.2% larger than Boston, 48.7% larger than DFW, 52.4% larger than LA, and 59.4% larger than Houston. Yet, it's metro area is dwarfed by many of those city's metro areas. Bizarre. And some cities which have a higher urban density have a much lower metro density. So, really, what are we so upset about again?

The point of this is that Atlanta's transportation plan needs to reflect those realities. Much of the area cannot be served by rail in a financially feasible manner because of this lack of density.

[bu2]

Some points of comparison using the 2010 census data:

City of Atlanta 3,182 per sq. mile over 132 sq. miles
Los Angeles urban area 6,999 per sq. mile over 1,736 sq. miles
Chicago urban area 3,524 per sq. mile over 2,443 sq. miles
Phoenix urban area 3,165 per sq. mile over 1,147 sq. miles
Manhattan 69,464 per sq. miles over 22 sq. miles
Houston inside loop 610 4,743 per sq. mile over 96 sq. miles

[ddm2k]

"Atlanta’s relationship with the automobile is reaching a crossroads."

Best pun ever. My knee hurts from slapping it so hard.

I know it's trendy to build as close to city-center as humanly possible, it's almost an assertion of dominance or status by locating your business in a prominent area. But it hurts your employees, who want to live at least sort-of close. It makes each dollar fall short that much more.

If it takes making director or above just to afford a single family home within 30 minutes of your site, it's time to rethink your location.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by bu2

Some points of comparison using the 2010 census data:

City of Atlanta 3,182 per sq. mile over 132 sq. miles
Los Angeles urban area 6,999 per sq. mile over 1,736 sq. miles
Chicago urban area 3,524 per sq. mile over 2,443 sq. miles
Phoenix urban area 3,165 per sq. mile over 1,147 sq. miles
Manhattan 69,464 per sq. miles over 22 sq. miles
Houston inside loop 610 4,743 per sq. mile over 96 sq. miles

However, our urban area density is a lot higher than the density of the COA.

According to Wikipedia the density of our urban area is 5,180/sq mi over 774 sq. miles. That kicks us way on up there.

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by arjay57

However, our urban area density is a lot higher than the density of the COA.

According to Wikipedia the density of our urban area is 5,180/sq mi over 774 sq. miles. That kicks us way on up there.

This is the problem with Wikipedia...it has so much incorrect information, that it makes these topics of density and whatnot kind of difficult.

The Atlanta Wikipedia page lists the urban population at 4,975,300 and the urban area as 1,963 square miles, for a density of 2,534 sq/mi. But, then it lists density as 5,180 sq/mi. for urban. So, obviously, something is incorrect. But, then we have a Wikipedia list of urban areas suggesting the urban density is 1,707 sq/mi. Then another Wikipedia list of urban areas saying 1,813 sq/mi., even though the calculated number is 1,981 sq/mi.

It's all over the place. But, where did you get Atlanta's urban area at 774 square miles?

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

But, where did you get Atlanta's urban area at 774 square miles?

Oh, I just realized I misread it. I was looking at the stat that says "5,180/sq mi (1,999/km2)" and thinking they meant that the 5,180 density extended over 1,999 square kilometers.

But I see that's not the case.

[arjay57]

Wow!

Plans for toll lanes on Ga. 400 got a boost Tuesday when the U.S. Department of Transportation announced a $184.1 million grant for the project.

Georgia plans to build 17 miles of express toll lanes in Fulton and Forsyth counties. Construction is expected to start in 2021.

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The Ga. 400 project is part of a planned 120-mile system of toll lanes across metro Atlanta.

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