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Old 09-16-2018, 04:11 PM
 
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For anyone interested in any MARTA eastward expansion updates

https://www.i20etod.com/
That's good to see. Finally there is some thoughtful planning going into transit station areas rather than just assuming the transit will attract appropriate development around the stations. That's an assumption that can never be made in metro Atlanta.
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Old 09-16-2018, 04:14 PM
 
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I can't see any of that happening before transit. Its a declining area. Developers simply won't go there.
What type of development are you referring to because I've been seeing some housing development springing up (or at least land cleared for development), nothing comparable to midtown, but it's being built or at least planned, with a good number of it aimed at senior residents.

Also, I could've sworn MARTA even said that developers were interested lol, so is that just an assumption that developers won't go there? Even concerning businesses, Atlanta's Gas Light Regional Business Center is currently being built along this stretch next to I-20 in the Gresham area.

Realistically this will take a long time to build out, but I can appreciate the effort and planning.
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Old 09-16-2018, 04:20 PM
 
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That's good to see. Finally there is some thoughtful planning going into transit station areas rather than just assuming the transit will attract appropriate development around the stations. That's an assumption that can never be made in metro Atlanta.
I agree. Plus, considering how long it takes to plan and implement things in Atlanta, I'm glad MARTA is planning for this now instead of waiting another decade when I-20 becomes absolutely insufferable as the east side continues to grow.
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:28 PM
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What type of development are you referring to because I've been seeing some housing development springing up (or at least land cleared for development), nothing comparable to midtown, but it's being built or at least planned, with a good number of it aimed at senior residents.

Also, I could've sworn MARTA even said that developers were interested lol, so is that just an assumption that developers won't go there? Even concerning businesses, Atlanta's Gas Light Regional Business Center is currently being built along this stretch next to I-20 in the Gresham area.

Realistically this will take a long time to build out, but I can appreciate the effort and planning.
Stonecrest Mall area is the strongest economically and is struggling with tenants. South Dekalb is losing residents. Nobody's going to build something like Lindberg as portrayed in these drawings hoping transit comes.
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:39 PM
 
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The problem is, there are no real cities or even existing community nodes along the route. Stonecrest comes closest, but even that leaves a lot to be desired.
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:14 PM
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The problem is, there are no real cities or even existing community nodes along the route. Stonecrest comes closest, but even that leaves a lot to be desired.
They have already suggested BRT is the best I-20 east can support.

Although I would like to see HRT extended from Indian Creek to Wesley Chapel on I-20 to connect some of that area to the HRT system without having to go all the way downtown or up to Indian Creek. It will make park-n-ride MARTA more accessible to I-20 people.

I never thought BRT only inside 285 made financial sense as has long been proposed. Those people aren't that far from downtown or from the Blue Line. It would have to be part of a longer system to be justified.
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:19 PM
 
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I agree. I think BRT along I-20 makes the most since for the near-term. You can keep HRT in the long-range plans if denser nodes start to develop at the BRT stations.
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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Most of the draw for I-20 east was not going to be from any kind of TOD, but from all the stations being fairly heavy commuter stations, particularly when served by local bus routes. The TOD would just add extra ridership and possibly balance the traffic a little bit by adding more destinations.
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:53 PM
 
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Most of the draw for I-20 east was not going to be from any kind of TOD, but from all the stations being fairly heavy commuter stations, particularly when served by local bus routes. The TOD would just add extra ridership and possibly balance the traffic a little bit by adding more destinations.
Drive-to-rail commuting stations rarely see much success. Even if they spend millions on free parking, many people will still just drive to their destination if they are already in a car. The difference between driving to the park-and-ride at Stonecrest vs driving to the existing park-and ride at Indian Creek is not going to account for much ridership. Many posters on this very forum that claim to be pro-transit / pro-rail still will not even spend the extra time to drive to a transit station and take the train.

Park & Rides Lose Money and Waste Land — But Agencies Keep Building Them
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Old 09-17-2018, 05:56 PM
 
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Drive-to-rail commuting stations rarely see much success. Even if they spend millions on free parking, many people will still just drive to their destination if they are already in a car. The difference between driving to the park-and-ride at Stonecrest vs driving to the existing park-and ride at Indian Creek is not going to account for much ridership. Many posters on this very forum that claim to be pro-transit / pro-rail still will not even spend the extra time to drive to a transit station and take the train.

Park & Rides Lose Money and Waste Land — But Agencies Keep Building Them
That’s surprising to me. Just the other day I had to drive to 3-4 different stations to find a spot. Grated it was after 9 am.
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