Gubernatorial Race 2018 (Evans, Kingston: appointed, tax, live in)

[Marv95]

Maybe if Abrams didn't affiliate herself with the likes of the Democracy Alliance(google it) and with people who constantly has race baited on her behalf, she may have a better chance. But going far left is going to alienate moderates who would vote dem, regardless of how well she does in the Atlanta metro(how is she going to appeal to Clinton voters outside of it?).

If Kemp upsets Cagle then you can say it's a tossup but if the 2nd Amendment becomes an issue she's toast. Like it or not that crazy ad of his has helped.

[CaliDreaming01]

Originally Posted by Marv95

Maybe if Abrams didn't affiliate herself with the likes of the Democracy Alliance(google it) and with people who constantly has race baited on her behalf, she may have a better chance. But going far left is going to alienate moderates who would vote dem, regardless of how well she does in the Atlanta metro(how is she going to appeal to Clinton voters outside of it?).

If Kemp upsets Cagle then you can say it's a tossup but if the 2nd Amendment becomes an issue she's toast. Like it or not that crazy ad of his has helped.

But she hasn't gone far left. She's just further left than where other GA Democrats have gone in the past. Many moderates would welcome things like reasonable gun control restrictions. The stuff she's advocating for is really pretty vanilla and is going to appear moderate compared to a candidate who is willing to risk chasing out Delta, one of the state's biggest employers, just to appease the far right in his party.

I think her strategy assumes that some moderates--white blue collar voters, etc.--will be unlikely to vote for her anyway and so she's targeting those Democrats who never come out to polls. She is not abandoning them, but she is just focusing more heavily on getting out new voters who have a much higher likelihood to vote for her. I've read that getting more Asians and Hispanics to the polls is a big priority for her as well.

[Forhall]

Originally Posted by Marv95

Maybe if Abrams didn't affiliate herself with the likes of the Democracy Alliance(google it) and with people who constantly has race baited on her behalf, she may have a better chance. But going far left is going to alienate moderates who would vote dem, regardless of how well she does in the Atlanta metro(how is she going to appeal to Clinton voters outside of it?).

If Kemp upsets Cagle then you can say it's a tossup but if the 2nd Amendment becomes an issue she's toast. Like it or not that crazy ad of his has helped.

Nah, Abrams would be considered centrist or even center right in all of Europe. Only in the South is she considered "far left" because Republicans have controlled the narrative for so long that we think something as simple as providing livable wages and affordable health Care to our citizens is borderline socialist. I hope Abrams stays exactly where she is, and doesn't pander to the wishy washy "moderates". Why is it that Cagle can attack Delta and not lose his moderate label but Abrams can't advocate for background checks? I'm sick of this, the "center" needs to shift quite a bit to the left and Abrams can take us there. Georgia can't stay backwoods forever.

[DreamerD]

Originally Posted by Iconographer

If they had the option of voting on their devices, it would revolutionize American politics.

Iconographer, good point. I'm finding, however, that there is a complete lack of interest whatsoever. There must be motivation and without motivation, they still may choose not to vote. There was only one person I spoke to at work who seemed to vote but he apparently is upset by the way things are currently going. I think a lot of young people lost faith after the whole Bernie Sanders defeat. It wasn't just that he lost but how the system threw themselves at Hillary.

[DreamerD]

Originally Posted by Forhall

Nah, Abrams would be considered centrist or even center right in all of Europe. Only in the South is she considered "far left" because Republicans have controlled the narrative for so long that we think something as simple as providing livable wages and affordable health Care to our citizens is borderline socialist. I hope Abrams stays exactly where she is, and doesn't pander to the wishy washy "moderates". Why is it that Cagle can attack Delta and not lose his moderate label but Abrams can't advocate for background checks? I'm sick of this, the "center" needs to shift quite a bit to the left and Abrams can take us there. Georgia can't stay backwoods forever.

Exactly! I never can understand how people say Sanders is "too left" when they were perfectly fine to vote for Trump who is off the wall.

[DreamerD]

Originally Posted by stoxdiamond

Young voter turnout has been abysmal for a long time. As awful as the Republican candidates are, the base will be out to reluctantly vote for whomever is on the ballot come November. If Abrams has any chance, it'll require an first term Obama-esque turnout from young voters.

I do think that younger voters (post-Millennial) are becoming more active in politics. Today's high school kids are going to make their voices heard over the next decade, IMO.

I hope so because we could really use the votes, given the huge baby boomer population that is such a huge voting force.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by Forhall

Nah, Abrams would be considered centrist or even center right in all of Europe. Only in the South is she considered "far left" because Republicans have controlled the narrative for so long that we think something as simple as providing livable wages and affordable health Care to our citizens is borderline socialist. I hope Abrams stays exactly where she is, and doesn't pander to the wishy washy "moderates". Why is it that Cagle can attack Delta and not lose his moderate label but Abrams can't advocate for background checks? I'm sick of this, the "center" needs to shift quite a bit to the left and Abrams can take us there. Georgia can't stay backwoods forever.

Cagle has his own skeletons that will likely come out if he is indeed the nominee. What is going to sink Abrams is her already trying to run a campaign based on identity politics. It doesn't work. It has been proven time and time again. Hopefully someone close to her can tell her this. You can't try and separate people and put them in different baskets and try to run a successful campaign. There are very few places this actually works like California, Oregon, and maybe Washington. It won't work in Georgia.

[DreamerD]

Originally Posted by sciblue

I keep in touch with many, many former students via social media. They have overwhelmingly been active in politics including voter registration, getting out to campaign, and actually voting. These are people who are in their 20's. I'm so proud of them!

I truly believe Republican control in Georgia is going to erode in the next few elections. They may never regain control when that happens.

I hope so. Your post makes me feel better. Yesterday at work really drained me.

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by Marv95

Maybe if Abrams didn't affiliate herself with the likes of the Democracy Alliance(google it) and with people who constantly has race baited on her behalf, she may have a better chance. But going far left is going to alienate moderates who would vote dem, regardless of how well she does in the Atlanta metro(how is she going to appeal to Clinton voters outside of it?).

If Kemp upsets Cagle then you can say it's a tossup but if the 2nd Amendment becomes an issue she's toast. Like it or not that crazy ad of his has helped.

I think it's paradoxical with conservative utter the words race baiting or saying identity politics, when Litteally conservative pandering to White Christian identity politics.

- Panding to CSA flag and call it heritage is race baiting
- Thinking a quota of immigration is ok, which country should and shouldn't immigrate is race baiting
- Exaggerating the statics of crime rate of immigrants is race baiting.

When conservative say race baiting it's in context present someone of minority decent starting trouble. When actuality conservatives are the one started it by promoting racism in first place. Everthing about below is race baiting.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vHHq3m7RRH8/maxresdefault.jpg

Let be real now imagine if this was someone Black or Hispanic......... imagine if this was someone Muslim Do you think The GOP would be OK with that? This ad only works if the person holding the gun is white, This meant to target a specific demographic. He basically went out his way to look the most redneckish as possible.


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[ronricks]

Originally Posted by chiatldal

I think it's paradoxical with conservative utter the words race baiting or saying identity politics, when Litteally conservative pandering to White Christian identity politics.

- Panding to CSA flag and call it heritage is race baiting
- Thinking a quota of immigration is ok, which country should and shouldn't immigrate is race baiting
- Exaggerating the statics of crime rate of immigrants is race baiting.

When conservative say race baiting it's in context present someone of minority decent starting trouble. When actuality conservatives are the one started it by promoting racism in first place. Everthing about below is race baiting.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vHHq3m7RRH8/maxresdefault.jpg

Let be real now imagine if this was someone Black or Hispanic......... imagine if this was someone Muslim Do you think The GOP would be OK with that? This ad only works if the person holding the gun is white, This meant to target a specific demographic. He basically went out his way to look the most redneckish as possible.


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You don't know the difference between an Immigrant and an Illegal Immigrant. They aren't the same. One is very different than the other. Someone being against Illegal Immigration isn't race baiting. Or even a racist.