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Old 05-26-2018, 06:29 PM
 
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Gainesville is just too far from Atlanta to be a suburb IMO. It's further distance out than Winder, which is barely barely an exurb, and that's being really generous.

Flowery Branch area at the southern edge of Hall County is a different story, but the MSA definition seems to be driven by county borders.
Gainesville's no further out than Carrollton, which is in Atlanta's MSA.

The reason Gainesville's not a part of the MSA is because the city / county has its own gravity of jobs. As there are a ton of major employers based in Hall County, there aren't many people that have to commute into Atlanta's MSA for work.

Meriwether County is the real odd one. There's absolutely no suburban development in the county and it actually has had a slowly declining population. Yet, a ton of people from Meriwether commute into Newnan to work at the restaurants / retailers / warehouse facilities (thus, it technically counts as "Metro Atlanta.").

Same goes for Heard, Haralson, Lamar and Jasper Counties in fact.
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Old 05-26-2018, 06:38 PM
 
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Gainesville's no further out than Carrollton, which is in Atlanta's MSA.
It is though actually. Carrollton is only about as far out as Buford, which is in Gwinnett County. And Griffin, GA seems real far south but it's even closer, about the same distance from the Gold Dome to Suwanee.

The illusion is because the north suburbs are so built out and sprawling, and Gwinnett is so relatively geographically large of a county. If Suwanee were on the south/southeast side it would be in Spalding County, not even in the main 10 Atlanta counties, much less the main 5.

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The reason Gainesville's not a part of the MSA is because the city / county has its own gravity of jobs. As there are a ton of major employers based in Hall County, there aren't many people that have to commute into Atlanta's MSA for work.
Yes, you're right, that is the real reason.
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Old 05-26-2018, 06:43 PM
 
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Here's an impressive/ interesting fact about Metro Atlanta. We are the second-largest inland metropolis in the United States. Only a little bit behind Dallas. All the rest of the large cities are along the coasts or in the case of Chicago, on a great lake.

And I've always considered Atlanta a more important/major city than Dallas. Certainly in terms of national infrastructure. The #1 airport and all. And I believe we have taller and more skyscrapers.
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Old 05-26-2018, 06:52 PM
 
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It is though actually. Carrollton is only about as far out as Buford, which is in Gwinnett County. And Griffin, GA seems real far south but it's even closer, about the same distance from the Gold Dome to Suwanee.

The illusion is because the north suburbs are so built out and sprawling, and Gwinnett is so relatively geographically large of a county. If Suwanee were on the south/southeast side it would be in Spalding County, not even in the main 10 Atlanta counties, much less the main 5.
Carrollton's about 50 miles from downtown, while Gainesville is about 55 miles from downtown.

It's a slight difference, but it's negligable.
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Old 05-26-2018, 06:56 PM
 
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Carrollton's about 50 miles from downtown, while Gainesville is about 55 miles from downtown.

It's a slight difference, but it's negligable.
We would need a compass/protractor set to figure this out. Google Maps lies because it uses travel distance.

And to be clear, I'm measuring raw distance from the GA State Capitol/Atlanta City Hall. Should be considered the true center, even though it doesn't feel like it because of uneven sprawl.
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Old 05-26-2018, 07:04 PM
 
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We would need a compass/protractor set to figure this out. Google Maps lies because it uses travel distance.

And to be clear, I'm measuring raw distance from the GA State Capitol/Atlanta City Hall. Should be considered the true center, even though it doesn't feel like it because of uneven sprawl.
IMO, comparison with a compass / protractor set wouldn't be a fair measure because, unlike Gainesville, Carrollton doesn't have a direct highway route to the city. You're going to put at least 10 miles on your car just getting to the interstate from Carrollton.

And yes, starting from the State Capitol is fair.
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Old 05-26-2018, 07:39 PM
 
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Gainesville is just too far from Atlanta to be a suburb IMO. It's further distance out than Winder, which is barely barely an exurb, and that's being really generous.

Flowery Branch area at the southern edge of Hall County is a different story, but the MSA definition seems to be driven by county borders.
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In terms of distance from downtown ATL, if Gainesville were on I-75, it would be almost at Adairsville. Which is definitely not a suburb.
Gainesville, Cartersville, White, and Adairsville are exurbs.

Flowery Branch and Emerson are outer suburbs.
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Old 05-26-2018, 07:49 PM
 
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Interestingly, Carroll County borders Alabama and Fulton County.
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Old 05-26-2018, 11:19 PM
 
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Gainesville is just too far from Atlanta to be a suburb IMO. It's further distance out than Winder, which is barely barely an exurb, and that's being really generous.

Flowery Branch area at the southern edge of Hall County is a different story, but the MSA definition seems to be driven by county borders.
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In terms of distance from downtown ATL, if Gainesville were on I-75, it would be almost at Adairsville. Which is definitely not a suburb.
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Gainesville, Cartersville, White, and Adairsville are exurbs.

Flowery Branch and Emerson are outer suburbs.
aries puts it best in saying that outlying communities like Gainesville, Cartersville, White and Adairsville are exurbs and that outlying communities like Flowery Branch and Emerson are outer suburbs.

Though, one cannot emphasize enough how important an exurban community like Gainesville (and an exurban jurisdiction like Hall County) is to the greater Atlanta metropolitan region as a whole.

Because of its prime location on the shores of metro Atlanta's primary water source, Lake Lanier, and because of its location roughly part way between the Atlanta metropolitan area and the Northeast Georgia mountains, Gainesville serves as a very important gateway between the more socially and culturally conservative and more rural Northeast Georgia Mountains region and the more socially and culturally progressive and cosmopolitan Atlanta metropolitan area.

Because of its status as a very important gateway between the rural Northeast Georgia Mountains region and the heavily-developed Atlanta metropolitan area, Gainesville has become a very important hub of industrial, economic and political activity for Northeast Georgia.

Gainesville's unique location and unique status as a gateway between urban/suburban metro Atlanta and the outer-exurban and rural Northeast Georgia Mountains region has made Gainesville a strong (if not dominant) player that seems to punch well above its weight in metro Atlanta, Georgia and Southeastern U.S. political circles.

As I have noted before, Gainesville is a very powerful exurban city that seems to exercise an outsized influence over metro Atlanta and Georgia politics.

Gainesville definitely is not your typical exurban bedroom community.

Even though they may not officially be located within the 29-county area of the Atlanta MSA, outlying exurban cities like Gainesville and Athens are definitely key and important parts of the metro Atlanta universe.

If one is driving south on a major roadway like Georgia 365 (U.S. Highway 23) from the Blue Ridge Mountains region of Western North Carolina (and Northeast Georgia and Eastern Tennessee) and heading towards Atlanta, Gainesville is basically where the rural Northeast Georgia Mountains region ends and where metro Atlanta begins for all its intents and purposes.

Even though it is not officially part of the 29-county Atlanta MSA, Gainesville is basically part of the 'sprawling' greater North Atlanta metropolitan development pattern... Which is probably one major reason why the Gainesville/Hall County MSA is part of the 39-county Atlanta CSA.
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Old 05-27-2018, 08:52 AM
 
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We would need a compass/protractor set to figure this out. Google Maps lies because it uses travel distance.
Google maps has a measurement tool which is quite accurate. It does not use driving distance, but drawn-path.
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