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Old 05-28-2018, 12:52 PM
 
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but that's sort of like saying cartersville is in the atlanta metro because it has an atlanta bread company.
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Cartersville *IS* in the Atlanta metro, as defined by the US Census

Yes. Cartersville is an exurb of Atlanta.
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Old 05-28-2018, 01:59 PM
 
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Also, while Gainesville officially has its own MSA (Metropolitan Statistical Area), Gainesville apparently thinks of itself as being part of the Atlanta region so much so that one of its leading attractions (the Atlanta Botanical Garden, Gainesville Garden) has Atlanta in the name...

Atlanta Botanical Garden, Gainesville Garden
Gainesville Garden | Atlanta Botanical Garden
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but that's sort of like saying cartersville is in the atlanta metro because it has an atlanta bread company.
But a botanical garden is much different from an Atlanta Bread Company location.

An Atlanta Bread Company location is a chain restaurant while a large botanical garden (like the Atlanta Botanical Garden, Gainesville Garden) is one of Gainesville's major attractions and a hub of social and cultural activity for the small Gainesville city/metro.

Like has been stated before, Gainesville may officially be its own metropolitan area (the one-county Gainesville/Hall County MSA), but Gainesville is also officially part of the 39-county Atlanta CSA/Combined Statistical Area for obvious reasons.

Just like the U.S. Census Bureau considers Gainesville to be part of the larger greater Atlanta metropolitan region (the 39-county Atlanta CSA), Gainesville also considers itself to be part of the larger greater Atlanta metropolitan region.

Also, many Atlanta factions (particularly the Atlanta news media) considers outlying cities like Gainesville and Athens to be such a key part of the larger greater Atlanta metropolitan region that the Atlanta news media covers them in local news stories.

"County by County Headlines" (WSB-TV Atlanta Channel 2)
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/county-by-county
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Old 05-28-2018, 04:37 PM
 
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It's not about distance, it's about commuting patterns. Gainesville is much more connected to metro Atlanta than Adairsville...really?
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Old 05-28-2018, 04:55 PM
 
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Cartersville *IS* in the Atlanta metro, as defined by the US Census
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Yes. Cartersville is an exurb of Atlanta.
it is, but not because it's got an atlanta bread company.
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Old 05-28-2018, 06:12 PM
 
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But a botanical garden is much different from an Atlanta Bread Company location.

An Atlanta Bread Company location is a chain restaurant while a large botanical garden (like the Atlanta Botanical Garden, Gainesville Garden) is one of Gainesville's major attractions and a hub of social and cultural activity for the small Gainesville city/metro.

Like has been stated before, Gainesville may officially be its own metropolitan area (the one-county Gainesville/Hall County MSA), but Gainesville is also officially part of the 39-county Atlanta CSA/Combined Statistical Area for obvious reasons.

Just like the U.S. Census Bureau considers Gainesville to be part of the larger greater Atlanta metropolitan region (the 39-county Atlanta CSA), Gainesville also considers itself to be part of the larger greater Atlanta metropolitan region.

Also, many Atlanta factions (particularly the Atlanta news media) considers outlying cities like Gainesville and Athens to be such a key part of the larger greater Atlanta metropolitan region that the Atlanta news media covers them in local news stories.

"County by County Headlines" (WSB-TV Atlanta Channel 2)
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/county-by-county
Speaking of Atlanta Bread, they used to be everywhere. If I recall they looked much like Panera Bread, except... Atlanta Bread didn't stick around in several places. There was one in Conyers we used to go to all the time..

What happened to them though? There's nowhere near as many (if any) as there used to be.
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Old 05-28-2018, 06:59 PM
 
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It's not about distance, it's about commuting patterns.
That is an excellent point that commuting patterns play much more of a role in determining the makeup of a Metropolitan Statistical Area than distance as defined by the U.S. Census Bureau.

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Gainesville is much more connected to metro Atlanta than Adairsville...really?
Both Adairsville and Gainesville are connected to metro Atlanta, but in different ways.

Adairsville is located in Bartow County which is officially part of the 29-county Atlanta MSA (Metropolitan Statistical Area) while Gainesville has its own one-county MSA that is part of the 39-county Atlanta CSA (Combined Statistical Area).

Adairsville is also located further away from Downtown Atlanta than Gainesville. Adairsville is about 60 miles from Five Points while Gainesville is about 53 miles from Five Points.

Adairsville is also detached from Atlanta's metropolitan development patterns while Gainesville is located within a corridor (the I-85/I-985 Northeast corridor) where the metropolitan development pattern is much heavier and basically continuous and unbroken to and from central Atlanta.

Though, some might be able to make the argument that an outlying area like Gainesville is much more connected to metro Atlanta than an outlying community like Adairsville because Gainesville and Hall County are located on the shores of metro Atlanta's beloved primary water source, Lake Lanier where residential and commercial development patterns are much heavier (and connected to the rest of metro Atlanta) than they are in and immediately around an outlying area like Adairsville in far northern Bartow County.
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Old 05-28-2018, 07:04 PM
 
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Speaking of Atlanta Bread, they used to be everywhere. If I recall they looked much like Panera Bread, except... Atlanta Bread didn't stick around in several places. There was one in Conyers we used to go to all the time..

What happened to them though? There's nowhere near as many (if any) as there used to be.
I think that Atlanta Bread Company just downsized their physical footprint from what it was back in the 2000's when they appeared to be in an expansion mode.

I do not know the exact particulars of why they downsized and shrunk their physical footprint but I cannot say that I surprised that they did so in the aftermath of the Great Recession when so many retail and restaurant outlets have struggled.
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Old 05-28-2018, 07:33 PM
 
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It's not about distance, it's about commuting patterns. Gainesville is much more connected to metro Atlanta than Adairsville...really?
Yeah, I know it's technically within Atlanta's MSA, but Adairsville is a real stretch. There's literally only one "suburban" housing development out there. Beyond that, there's nothing sprawly or metropolitan about it. I doubt they even associate themselves with Atlanta.

Might as well say Grantville is also "well connected" to Metro Atlanta too.
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Old 05-28-2018, 08:51 PM
 
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The exaggeration of Metro Atlanta to get higher numbers should stop. There is no reason Dawson, Pickens, Bartow, Carrol, Haraison, Barrow, Morgan, etc should be counted as metro ATL. The real Metro Atlanta should be anything that borders City of Atlanta, DeKalb and Fulton Counties or anything that is 30 min drive from downtown, as many of the counties I listed, people I know there hardy ever come into the real metro area for anything.
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Old 05-28-2018, 11:40 PM
 
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The exaggeration of Metro Atlanta to get higher numbers should stop. There is no reason Dawson, Pickens, Bartow, Carrol, Haraison, Barrow, Morgan, etc should be counted as metro ATL. The real Metro Atlanta should be anything that borders City of Atlanta, DeKalb and Fulton Counties or anything that is 30 min drive from downtown, as many of the counties I listed, people I know there hardy ever come into the real metro area for anything.
There is no exaggeration

Metros come in different shapes and sizes, Everything is mechanism reflection of growth from a city. Just a cities can grow upward "density" cities can grow outward "sprawl. Either or it's growth.

Now I'm very against sprawl but that doesn't change it's a pattern of growth. This why it makes no sense looking at distance, Because your ignoring the difference in outward growth,

Suburban counties got to have at least a 25% commute rate with core counties. So regardless of who you know or what they tell you somebody is commuting, 25% or more those counties are commuting to employment areas in Fulton, Delkab, Cobb, Clayton, and etc.

Another way to look at even for those not commuting they wouldn't be there if they wasn't nearly Atlanta. If Atlanta didn't cause the Bartow, and Carroll to have 100k in those counties what did? Two Georgia counties didn't randomly grow 100k themselves. Atlanta grow outward. If there never a railroad to a town call Terminus there would not be a 100k in Carroll county.

Dawson, Pickens, Haraison are exurban counties all metro have this ring of suburbs that basically rual, but they are part of the metro because 25% of the population are being pulled. But these counties can't "exaggerate Metro Atlanta to get higher numbers" because they aren't giving much to the population the first place. In metro that's over 5.8 million. those 3 exurban are only adding 90K.
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