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Old 05-25-2018, 06:48 PM
 
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If you can, please provide sources.

So I am getting results varying all over the place ranging from 5.5 million all the way to 7 million.. thats a pretty large variance...

Most websites and census's are claiming the MSA of the Atlanta Metro is approximately 5.8 Million -- now here's the kicker:

https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...xhtml?src=bkmk

The website above (census.gov) is comparing Atlanta, Sandy Springs, Roswell GA as the immediate MSA. Now what Im unsure of is if this number is including the remaining surrounding suburbs (I'm sure it is because even the AJC seems to agree with this statistic: https://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt-...6L26zn4jgVBrN/.. but why isn't its MSA including the exurbs? or is it?)...

The thing is, I can't locate any factual census that states Atlanta's MSA has a population of 7 million.

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I personally, am kind of leary about the 7 million claim. Atlanta definitely has alot of people but I still don't believe its quite at 7 million. I'm aware there are super commuters well into places such as Griffin, Gainesville, Cartersville and the like... but I have never really considered them to be apart of the metro... BUT if they are, is there any MSA data that can confirm this?

Edit:

After additional searching, it appears that the CSA of Atlanta (combined statistical area) is the actual 6.5 Million - nearly 7 million claim, spanning 39 counties and includes even Athens... it appears however that these are not apart of the actual metro, but rather a region of chained micro-metro's within the vincinity of Atlanta: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area
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Old 05-25-2018, 07:08 PM
 
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Pretty simple answer. 6 million. Metropolitan Statistical Area:



The 7 million figure is the Combined Statistical Area which includes Gainesville and Athens. Places a bit too far out to be considered part of the metro.
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Old 05-25-2018, 07:35 PM
 
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People constantly get MSA and CSA mixed up. Just look at the some of the most recent population estimate/projection threads.
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Old 05-25-2018, 08:03 PM
 
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The center of the MSA is Downtown Atlanta, so that's why Griffin and Carrollton and Winder are considered exurban parts of the metro.

But Gainesville and Athens are just too far, and they're pretty much cities in themselves, with their own metros. Especially Athens, with its own perimeter and everything.

Also has to do with jobs and where people commute. The MSA counties all generally commute within the Atlanta area for jobs.

The Combined Statistical Area is more about general regional grouping of population, more at a national scale. So it's a little more broad of an area. But really in our case, it only adds and extra 1 million because our MSA is so geographically sprawled.
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Old 05-26-2018, 02:23 AM
 
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The official estimates from the 2017 Census...

MSA - 5,884,736
CSA - 6,555,956
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Old 05-26-2018, 12:21 PM
 
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Pretty simple answer. 6 million. Metropolitan Statistical Area:



The 7 million figure is the Combined Statistical Area which includes Gainesville and Athens. Places a bit too far out to be considered part of the metro.
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The center of the MSA is Downtown Atlanta, so that's why Griffin and Carrollton and Winder are considered exurban parts of the metro.

But Gainesville and Athens are just too far, and they're pretty much cities in themselves, with their own metros. Especially Athens, with its own perimeter and everything.

Also has to do with jobs and where people commute. The MSA counties all generally commute within the Atlanta area for jobs.

The Combined Statistical Area is more about general regional grouping of population, more at a national scale. So it's a little more broad of an area. But really in our case, it only adds and extra 1 million because our MSA is so geographically sprawled.
Those are really good points that the 7 million inhabitant population figure that some people echo is for the 39-county CSA (Combined Statistical Area/greater Atlanta region) and that city/metros like Gainesville and Athens are largely cities within themselves.

That is also a really good point that the 29-county area of the Atlanta MSA (Metropolitan Statistical Area) is determined largely upon commuting patterns.

Though, one important thing that should be noted is that even though outlying cities like Gainesville and Athens are not officially part of the 29-county Atlanta MSA, they still play an extremely important role in the existence of the Atlanta metropolitan area.

An outlying city like Gainesville may officially have its own metropolitan area (the one-county Gainesville/Hall County MSA) and may not officially be part of the 29-county Atlanta MSA, but Gainesville is still closer to Atlanta than other outlying cities that officially are part of the Atlanta MSA like Jasper in Pickens County and Dawsonville in Dawson County which are both on the very northern edge of the 29-county Atlanta MSA.

(...Gainesville is about 53 miles from Five Points while Dawsonville is 57 miles from Five Points and 59 miles from Five Points.)

Gainesville itself (along with Hall County as a whole) has become a city of great importance to the entire Atlanta region as a whole because it is a major hub of industry for the state of Georgia whose growth has been propelled by its location on metro Atlanta's primary water source, Lake Lanier.

(...Gainesville and Hall County are also home to much industry that generates a noticeable number of commutes into the county from the 29-county Atlanta MSA which is why Gainesville and Hall County are part of the 39-county Atlanta CSA.)

Because it lies on the banks of metro Atlanta's primary water source and is the site of a recreational area that is very popular with metro Atlantans in Lake Lanier and because it borders one of metro Atlanta's five core urban counties in Gwinnett, Southern Hall County (including parts of southern Hall County with Buford and Flowery Branch addresses) are basically outer-suburban Atlanta.

Heck, Flowery Branch and Hall County is the site of the Atlanta Falcons NFL team headquarters and training camp facility while local news outlets cover Gainesville and Hall County like it is part of the Atlanta metropolitan area... That is because Gainesville and Hall County are still basically a key part of the Atlanta metropolitan area even though they may not officially be part of the 29-county Atlanta MSA.

On the other hand, Athens (whose individual MSA borders the Atlanta MSA) is home to the state's flagship university campus (the University of Georgia) that hosts tens-of-thousands of students from the 29-county Atlanta MSA and generates a very large number of commutes from the entire 29-county Atlanta MSA... Which is why the Athens MSA is part of the 39-county Atlanta CSA.

Outlying areas like Gainesville and Athens technically and officially may not be part of the 29-county Atlanta MSA, because of their closeness and geographical closeness to the Atlanta metro area, Gainesville and Athens are considered by many to basically be part of the Atlanta metropolitan area and are definitely part of the greater Atlanta metropolitan region.
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Old 05-26-2018, 12:41 PM
 
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The center of the MSA is Downtown Atlanta, so that's why Griffin and Carrollton and Winder are considered exurban parts of the metro.

But Gainesville and Athens are just too far, and they're pretty much cities in themselves, with their own metros. Especially Athens, with its own perimeter and everything.

Also has to do with jobs and where people commute. The MSA counties all generally commute within the Atlanta area for jobs.

The Combined Statistical Area is more about general regional grouping of population, more at a national scale. So it's a little more broad of an area. But really in our case, it only adds and extra 1 million because our MSA is so geographically sprawled.
I agree about Athens but I don't feel the same about Gainesville. Hall County seems much more connected to metro Atlanta than Clarke County. I personally believe that Gainesville's MSA will be absorbed into metro Atlanta pretty soon.
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Old 05-26-2018, 02:10 PM
 
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I agree about Athens but I don't feel the same about Gainesville. Hall County seems much more connected to metro Atlanta than Clarke County. I personally believe that Gainesville's MSA will be absorbed into metro Atlanta pretty soon.
Im glad you wrote thisI was thinking the same thing.

Southern Hall Counity (FB, Ow) is definitely outer suburban Atlanta. G-ville is now really an exurb of Atlanta
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Old 05-26-2018, 06:21 PM
 
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Gainesville is just too far from Atlanta to be a suburb IMO. It's further distance out than Winder, which is barely barely an exurb, and that's being really generous.

Flowery Branch area at the southern edge of Hall County is a different story, but the MSA definition seems to be driven by county borders.
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Old 05-26-2018, 06:26 PM
 
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In terms of distance from downtown ATL, if Gainesville were on I-75, it would be almost at Adairsville. Which is definitely not a suburb.
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