21 story tower proposed for Old Fourth Ward (Atlanta, Boston: apartment complex, lofts)

[bu2]

Originally Posted by aries4118

Interesting.

You don't think O4W cherishes the bucolic nature of its single-family residential streets?

And/or, are you saying that the sole reason those neighborhoods are preserving the single-family homes is due to advocacy--otherwise it/they should be high-rised?

Look at the pictures of the site in this thread. This tower is right in the middle of a bunch of the standard 5+1 apartment blocks.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by Iconographer

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The immediate area around the proposed tower is not comparable.

I just saw your additional statement.


I can understand that--if it truly is only the immediate area. However, it seems to me that other/some posters on this thread are saying that the trend in O4W is to bulldoze willy-nilly the single-family streets without a sense of bucolic, Atlanta-essence preservation that we see in other pristine, urban neighborhoods.

If it is peripheral high-rising--I say, hell-to-the-yes. It would be great to have the juxtaposition in O4W that we see in Midtown, Ansley Park, Home Park, Loring Heights, and all the neighborhoods in the Peachtree Road Corridor.

However, if due to O4W's "hotness" we lose the character of its single-family streets to accommodate all of the high interest--well then, that's a major concern.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by bu2

Look at the pictures of the site in this thread. This tower is right in the middle of a bunch of the standard 5+1 apartment blocks.

True. I am not necessarily advocating one way or the other. However, if we are to keep the Atlanta tradition of bucolic residential neighborhoods next to hyper-urban districts/corridors, I would hope the "O4W fervor" does not cause further high-rising about a block away (based on photo).

Also, there is the risk of slippery-slope--we did this, let's see if we can do more.

Keep in mind, I hope that O4W is able to do both: high-rise and urbanize, while also preserving the bucolic nature of several key residential streets.


"both-and, not either-or"

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by aries4118

Interesting.

You don't think O4W cherishes the bucolic nature of its single-family residential streets?

And/or, are you saying that the sole reason those neighborhoods are preserving the single-family homes is due to advocacy--otherwise it/they should be high-rised?

I do, at least the parts that have remained relatively intact. But much of O4W's residential area has been encroached upon by crummy apartment and industrial buildings starting about 60 years ago. That is not the case in most of the neighborhoods that you cite.
Besides, what SFH neighborhoods is the building in question compromising? It looks like it is surrounded by other midrise multifamily development whose main complaint is that it is taller than the other buildings in the area...at this moment in time. The point has been made that there is a lot of development comparable to this already on the boards in the same area. Zoningwise, the writing's on the wall. And how have SFH areas like Ansley Park, Ardmore Park, Brookwood Hills and Loring Heights managed to co-exist with the highrises lining Peachtree and Piedmont that edge their neighborhoods? Is O4W somehow different?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hi...!4d-84.3651694

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by aries4118

OK, y'all. Then,

Why don't we start building highrises in/within the Midtown Garden District? Ansley Park? (such a prime location) Virginia-Highland? Sherwood Forest? Piedmont Heights? Home Park? Loring Heights? Brookwood Hills? Ardmore? Summerhill? Peachtree Hills? Peachtree Park?


All the aforementioned neighborhoods above--
1. Border the Beltline, a MARTA line, a transit line, or a proposed transit line.
2. Border (or are very close to) a highrise district or prime urban-city neighborhood.
3. Cherish the bucolic nature of their single-family residential streets.



Go...

Are those areas zoned for that kind of building? No, but this brownfield is.

[kgpremed13]

Originally Posted by Forhall

There always has to be a "first". The first 17 story building will look weird in O4W until it's joined by a 20 story building. And those two will look a little odd until three more 15-20 story buildings show up. Twenty years later people will tell the story of when people thought a 17 story building in O4W was "out of place" as they look around on the neighborhood from the 35th floor of their apartment building.

Someone HAS to be the first to break the size barrier in a neighborhood, take the heat for it, then open it up for others to follow suit. That's how we build density. Look at where O4W is located, what amenities it has, and how popular it has become. Anyone trying to fight to keep it a "suburban single family home" neighborhood is fighting a losing battle. Which other neighborhood demolished a suburban style Kroger to rebuild it vertically?? This isn't heading towards looking like a subdivision in Alpharetta, and if that's what you want you should probably look elsewhere.

I would honestly argue, that a large part of the reason O4W is so popular is because it has single family homes and tree line streets so close to urban density. That's unique, its pretty rare to find that in other major cities. If you get rid of that uniqueness does O4W stay as popular? Its cool to walk into your backyard and have views of downtown and Midtown, if those SFHs aren't bought out and demolished the property values will continue to sky rocket into the millions, check out the "cray real estate market" thread.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by kgpremed13

I would honestly argue, that a large part of the reason O4W is so popular is because it has single family homes and tree line streets so close to urban density. That's unique, its pretty rare to find that in other major cities. If you get rid of that uniqueness does O4W stay as popular? Its cool to walk into your backyard and have views of downtown and Midtown, if those SFHs aren't bought out and demolished the property values will continue to sky rocket into the millions, check out the "cray real estate market" thread.

This tower is not being built in O4W SFH section, but rather near the ex-brownfield Historic Fourth Ward Park, which is surrounded by multistory apartments.

[kgpremed13]

Originally Posted by cqholt

This tower is not being built in O4W SFH section, but rather near the ex-brownfield Historic Fourth Ward Park, which is surrounded by multistory apartments.

But what I'm saying is, its only a matter of time before they come for the SFHs.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by kgpremed13

But what I'm saying is, its only a matter of time before they come for the SFHs.

This part of O4W is zoned for density
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a_l...GYFw7Rnve/view

[kgpremed13]

Originally Posted by cqholt

This part of O4W is zoned for density
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a_l...GYFw7Rnve/view

I don't have a problem with building densely in places that are industrial or zoned for density, but if there is one thing I have learned the last couple years of my adult life, it is that rules are made by someone, and if you talk to the right people(the ones making the rules) rules can be rewritten very quickly. Maybe developers bribe the people making the rules to where more and more of O4W is rezoned for "density" IDK, money talks though.