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Old 10-22-2018, 09:31 PM
 
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Why They Kneel: New York City and Atlanta Prove Everything You Know About Jim Crow Is Wrong
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Why They Kneel: New York City and Atlanta Prove Everything You Know About Jim Crow Is Wrong

Michael Harriot

If you read the comment section on any article about racism, you are sure to find at least one comment by a reader explaining why they moved from the deep South to one of the more progressive, coastal areas of the country where racism is long gone.

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So good and so true. Enjoy!

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Old 10-22-2018, 09:40 PM
 
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Good read. Thanks for sharing it.
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Old 10-22-2018, 11:10 PM
 
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New Yorkers, especially the ones who would benefit from early voting really need to do something to change their situation. I could not believe that a city known to shut things down in protest did not shut it down when bloomberg bought a third election. We all know how big juiliani and bloomberg were on stop-and-frisk procedures. As for the police brutality/what was said about justice, there needs to be more mobilizing. New Yorkers (not all) fight too hard to allow these kind of things to continue.

Again...no early voting? Really? Early voting is so convenient. I can't ever imagine having one day to vote on. It's like driving...once you drive, hard to go back to public transport.

I dunno what exactly to say about segregation...their history is totally different from Atlanta's. I was surprised the author didn't provide more insight into that. He seemed to weave segregation in with economic inequality.

The only thing that surprised me was the whole voting thing. I get so tired of hearing black people don't vote and I'm like...really? It's better to be more specific as to which regions of the US. Glad to read though that a significant number of black people in Georgia vote...we need it.

I still miss NY. It is not a racial oasis...haven't heard anyone call it that or think of it like that. Let me not even get into why nobody from NY would make it seem as if there is no racism.

It was a good read. I would have liked to see more things discussed such as health care, "welfare," etc.
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Old 10-23-2018, 12:11 AM
 
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I actually think the bigger enemy is people who hide by their political affiliations, who ever personalizes involvement in their local government and communities. Moreover, why even go there with the State of New York, since most suburban residents of New York are republican, but the heavy democratic population of NYC will always keep the state blue. Furthermore why accused those of economic inequality, when it was our own ancestor that betrayed us in slavery for money. We must be honest enough to tell the whole truth, and not be one sided, placing all blame on different cultures. The strongest unit and institution on earth is family. The Jewish nation has proven that culture can withstand and prevail against any systematic oppression. Henceforth, there will always be articles that appears to be fiery and truthful, but really boils down to smoke. While Kapernick stand against injustice is admirable it does not carried the apostolic and prophetic trust to get to the root issue - family- the strongest institution on earth against all injustice and self disrespect.
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Old 10-23-2018, 03:41 AM
 
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I actually think the bigger enemy is people who hide by their political affiliations, who ever personalizes involvement in their local government and communities. Moreover, why even go there with the State of New York, since most suburban residents of New York are republican, but the heavy democratic population of NYC will always keep the state blue. Furthermore why accused those of economic inequality, when it was our own ancestor that betrayed us in slavery for money. We must be honest enough to tell the whole truth, and not be one sided, placing all blame on different cultures. The strongest unit and institution on earth is family. The Jewish nation has proven that culture can withstand and prevail against any systematic oppression. Henceforth, there will always be articles that appears to be fiery and truthful, but really boils down to smoke. While Kapernick stand against injustice is admirable it does not carried the apostolic and prophetic trust to get to the root issue - family- the strongest institution on earth against all injustice and self disrespect.

1. All cities and inner part of metro go blue, Most rural areas and outer suburbs go red. That not a New York thing, It depends on the dynamics of the state the off set of rural vs Urban.

Cities are more culturally diverse and cosmopolitan, and cities need spending on infrastructure which why that go blue, Rual area are less diverse and less need to raise taxes for infrastructure because it's rural.

One thing he kind of address is the idea that coast and up north are blue and middle America and south is just red,.......... this is false. The actually reality is rural Cali and rural NY have more in common with rual Georgia and Texas then there cities with in there states. On flip side every major city in red state from Birmingham, Nashville to Kansas city have more in common with New York, LA and SF then do with rual areas their states.

This what kills me when people think they are more likely to face racism on the streets of a South major city then northern, when actually it doesn't make a difference.



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2. "when it was our own ancestor that betrayed us in slavery for money. We must be honest enough to tell the whole truth, and not be one sided, placing all blame on different cultures."

Slaves didn't sell themselves. And if talking about the Africans that sold slaves those weren't our "ancestors" they wasn't even "our people"...... Africa was not once place and one people there were 100 of group and dozens of major states, Oyo, Ashanti, Dahomey, Benin and etc etc. During the slave trade African states sold other tribes. Others wise the enemy African states of ancestors sold our ancestors, not their very own group. African states and tribe didn't sell their own people.

Some time after the middle ages European churches ban slavery to Christians in actually they just ban slavery on whites. And this change history because before this slavery had nothing to do with race, literally ever culture on every corner on earth had slavery, The Vikings, The Romans had white on white slavery, slavery was cause either by war captivity or Debt bondage. What change was the age of exploration and with people discovering different people racist ideas came front. Remember European Churches ban slavery to Christians, and Christian was the dominate religion of European. Basically Europeans ban the white on white slave market in Europe and over time exploited the slave markets in other cultures. First it was native Americans but natives Americans died from old world disease, then European went Africa.


3. family Values and "stand against injustice" have nothing to do with each others. They don't conflict with each other, there is no sole root of the issue because they are two completely separate issues.

There's like a weird right wing idea today that try to make it seem that either your for fighting for civil rights or you believe in family values as you can't believe in both, or they some how conflicting opposites............ or Black don't talk about black on black crime, and families and etc.......... which is overt lie.

NAACP and NHSA Announce Joint Initiative to Help Empower Families

Rev. Jesse Jackson on Families & Children - OnTheIssues.org

What happen is the right by their racist default see blacks as one dimensional, As if people can't walk and chew gum at the same time. As if black people don't talk about families, and black on black crime. because we talk about civil rights. The right only talk about family values because think it can change the topic away from civil rights.
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Old 10-23-2018, 03:51 AM
 
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The article makes a few good points
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Old 10-23-2018, 04:22 AM
 
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2. "when it was our own ancestor that betrayed us in slavery for money. We must be honest enough to tell the whole truth, and not be one sided, placing all blame on different cultures."

Slaves didn't sell themselves. And if talking about the Africans that sold slaves those weren't our "ancestors" they wasn't even "our people"...... Africa was not once place and one people there were 100 of group and dozens of major states, Oyo, Ashanti, Dahomey, Benin and etc etc. During the slave trade African states sold other tribes. Others wise the enemy African states of ancestors sold our ancestors, not their very own group. African states and tribe didn't sell their own people.

Some time after the middle ages European churches ban slavery to Christians in actually they just ban slavery on whites. And this change history because before this slavery had nothing to do with race, literally ever culture on every corner on earth had slavery, The Vikings, The Romans had white on white slavery, slavery was cause either by war captivity or Debt bondage. What change was the age of exploration and with people discovering different people racist ideas came front. Remember European Churches ban slavery to Christians, and Christian was the dominate religion of European. Basically Europeans ban the white on white slave market in Europe and over time exploited the slave markets in other cultures. First it was native Americans but natives Americans died from old world disease, then European went Africa.


3. family Values and "stand against injustice" have nothing to do with each others. They don't conflict with each other, there is no sole root of the issue because they are two completely separate issues.

There's like a weird right wing idea today that try to make it seem that either your for fighting for civil rights or you believe in family values as you can't believe in both, or they some how conflicting opposites............ or Black don't talk about black on black crime, and families and etc.......... which is overt lie.

NAACP and NHSA Announce Joint Initiative to Help Empower Families

Rev. Jesse Jackson on Families & Children - OnTheIssues.org

What happen is the right by their racist default see blacks as one dimensional, As if people can't walk and chew gum at the same time. As if black people don't talk about families, and black on black crime. because we talk about civil rights. The right only talk about family values because think it can change the topic away from civil rights.
Amen to everything you said above. Thank you for setting the record straight. Sadly, there are too many people that are still very misguided...and self-hating.
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Old 10-23-2018, 09:06 AM
 
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1. All cities and inner part of metro go blue, Most rural areas and outer suburbs go red. That not a New York thing, It depends on the dynamics of the state the off set of rural vs Urban.

Cities are more culturally diverse and cosmopolitan, and cities need spending on infrastructure which why that go blue, Rual area are less diverse and less need to raise taxes for infrastructure because it's rural.

One thing he kind of address is the idea that coast and up north are blue and middle America and south is just red,.......... this is false. The actually reality is rural Cali and rural NY have more in common with rual Georgia and Texas then there cities with in there states. On flip side every major city in red state from Birmingham, Nashville to Kansas city have more in common with New York, LA and SF then do with rual areas their states.

This what kills me when people think they are more likely to face racism on the streets of a South major city then northern, when actually it doesn't make a difference.



http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/...ymaprb1024.png


2. "when it was our own ancestor that betrayed us in slavery for money. We must be honest enough to tell the whole truth, and not be one sided, placing all blame on different cultures."

Slaves didn't sell themselves. And if talking about the Africans that sold slaves those weren't our "ancestors" they wasn't even "our people"...... Africa was not once place and one people there were 100 of group and dozens of major states, Oyo, Ashanti, Dahomey, Benin and etc etc. During the slave trade African states sold other tribes. Others wise the enemy African states of ancestors sold our ancestors, not their very own group. African states and tribe didn't sell their own people.

Some time after the middle ages European churches ban slavery to Christians in actually they just ban slavery on whites. And this change history because before this slavery had nothing to do with race, literally ever culture on every corner on earth had slavery, The Vikings, The Romans had white on white slavery, slavery was cause either by war captivity or Debt bondage. What change was the age of exploration and with people discovering different people racist ideas came front. Remember European Churches ban slavery to Christians, and Christian was the dominate religion of European. Basically Europeans ban the white on white slave market in Europe and over time exploited the slave markets in other cultures. First it was native Americans but natives Americans died from old world disease, then European went Africa.


3. family Values and "stand against injustice" have nothing to do with each others. They don't conflict with each other, there is no sole root of the issue because they are two completely separate issues.

There's like a weird right wing idea today that try to make it seem that either your for fighting for civil rights or you believe in family values as you can't believe in both, or they some how conflicting opposites............ or Black don't talk about black on black crime, and families and etc.......... which is overt lie.

NAACP and NHSA Announce Joint Initiative to Help Empower Families

Rev. Jesse Jackson on Families & Children - OnTheIssues.org

What happen is the right by their racist default see blacks as one dimensional, As if people can't walk and chew gum at the same time. As if black people don't talk about families, and black on black crime. because we talk about civil rights. The right only talk about family values because think it can change the topic away from civil rights.

Can't rep you but good read and good points. Will try to add later when I have the time.
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Old 10-23-2018, 10:37 AM
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The article makes a few good points
It also resorts to lazy stereotype and false presumption. I appreciate the sentiment, but not the broad brush.
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Old 10-23-2018, 12:30 PM
 
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1. All cities and inner part of metro go blue, Most rural areas and outer suburbs go red. That not a New York thing, It depends on the dynamics of the state the off set of rural vs Urban.

Cities are more culturally diverse and cosmopolitan, and cities need spending on infrastructure which why that go blue, Rual area are less diverse and less need to raise taxes for infrastructure because it's rural.

One thing he kind of address is the idea that coast and up north are blue and middle America and south is just red,.......... this is false. The actually reality is rural Cali and rural NY have more in common with rual Georgia and Texas then there cities with in there states. On flip side every major city in red state from Birmingham, Nashville to Kansas city have more in common with New York, LA and SF then do with rual areas their states.

This what kills me when people think they are more likely to face racism on the streets of a South major city then northern, when actually it doesn't make a difference.



http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/...ymaprb1024.png


2. "when it was our own ancestor that betrayed us in slavery for money. We must be honest enough to tell the whole truth, and not be one sided, placing all blame on different cultures."

Slaves didn't sell themselves. And if talking about the Africans that sold slaves those weren't our "ancestors" they wasn't even "our people"...... Africa was not once place and one people there were 100 of group and dozens of major states, Oyo, Ashanti, Dahomey, Benin and etc etc. During the slave trade African states sold other tribes. Others wise the enemy African states of ancestors sold our ancestors, not their very own group. African states and tribe didn't sell their own people.

Some time after the middle ages European churches ban slavery to Christians in actually they just ban slavery on whites. And this change history because before this slavery had nothing to do with race, literally ever culture on every corner on earth had slavery, The Vikings, The Romans had white on white slavery, slavery was cause either by war captivity or Debt bondage. What change was the age of exploration and with people discovering different people racist ideas came front. Remember European Churches ban slavery to Christians, and Christian was the dominate religion of European. Basically Europeans ban the white on white slave market in Europe and over time exploited the slave markets in other cultures. First it was native Americans but natives Americans died from old world disease, then European went Africa.


3. family Values and "stand against injustice" have nothing to do with each others. They don't conflict with each other, there is no sole root of the issue because they are two completely separate issues.

There's like a weird right wing idea today that try to make it seem that either your for fighting for civil rights or you believe in family values as you can't believe in both, or they some how conflicting opposites............ or Black don't talk about black on black crime, and families and etc.......... which is overt lie.

NAACP and NHSA Announce Joint Initiative to Help Empower Families

Rev. Jesse Jackson on Families & Children - OnTheIssues.org

What happen is the right by their racist default see blacks as one dimensional, As if people can't walk and chew gum at the same time. As if black people don't talk about families, and black on black crime. because we talk about civil rights. The right only talk about family values because think it can change the topic away from civil rights.

First bold-very good insight.



Yes, black on black crime is always discussed. The thing is, people can't complain to law enforcement if there is distrust between the police and the neighborhoods they racially profile.



Family being the strongest institution was something mentioned in an earlier post...from slavery, families were constantly being separated and this was part of keeping slaves "in their place" and breaking them. Today we have a drug war that targets black people especially and Hispanics. These men are targeted through profiling of certain neighborhoods and when they are locked up, the family is once again broken. I think that this should have been mentioned because the issue isn't so simple.
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