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Old 01-24-2019, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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Every time I go home to Memphis, I think about this. The metro area is 1.3 million people, so it's not exactly small. Less density, just as sprawled. But I am never stuck in traffic while I'm there, and they have pretty much zero transit. Some busses, but that's about it. They just have so many arterial roads that there are always numerous options to get where you are going, north-south and east-west. Helps that the city was built mostly as a grid, though.
Size matters. Plus Memphis now has an outer loop around the east side.
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Old 01-25-2019, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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I'm not sure how much you can cherry pick the data like that. SRTA is charged with a good amount more than just operating the toll system and in 2017 the I-75 reversible lane had just opened and the I-75 NW corridor and I-85 extension were still under construction. Reading into the specifics, the report says $14.7M in revenue over 8.8M rides on the I-85 lanes alone.

Considering that the toll costs likely don't necessarily scale up with expansion of the system and the larger projects along I-285 and 400 are in the design stages, I don't think you can really come to that conclusion.

Also that 156M number for expenses also includes grant disbursements, roadway improvements, and the express busses.
That 8.8M riders, I'm sure, includes express bus riders.
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Unless the private sector steps up and builds transit themselves. I don't know why I'm the only one that thinks that. This what happens when big government has total control.

In this country though there are only a handful of cities that have decent transportation options: NYC, Chicago, DC, Philly, Boston, SF, and Seattle and LA are getting there, maybe Denver and Dallas. You're better off moving to Tokyo or another foreign city.
Dallas and Denver! You are kidding? Dallas has the largest LRT system in US and one the lowest riders per mile. Seattle has a great bus system in their Rapid Ride network of frequent buses with dedicated lanes, signal priority, and queue jumping lanes.
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Old 01-25-2019, 10:05 AM
 
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That 8.8M riders, I'm sure, includes express bus riders.
The report says $14.7M from 8.8M electronically tolled trips not 8.8M riders.
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Old 01-25-2019, 12:50 PM
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I'm not sure how much you can cherry pick the data like that. SRTA is charged with a good amount more than just operating the toll system and in 2017 the I-75 reversible lane had just opened and the I-75 NW corridor and I-85 extension were still under construction. Reading into the specifics, the report says $14.7M in revenue over 8.8M rides on the I-85 lanes alone.

Considering that the toll costs likely don't necessarily scale up with expansion of the system and the larger projects along I-285 and 400 are in the design stages, I don't think you can really come to that conclusion.

Also that 156M number for expenses also includes grant disbursements, roadway improvements, and the express busses.
And MARTA's 16% doesn't cover capital costs.

Also, as I said, the toll road can serve 100% of the travelers. HRT isn't going to serve but about 5%.
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Old 01-25-2019, 12:53 PM
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I think it's probably time to just admit Atlanta is never going to have anything even close to decent transportation options in any of our lifetimes.

If that's something that's important to you, it's better to move somewhere that already has them.

I have no doubt it's going to be our downfall. Amazon isn't the only company that wants to make sure its employees won't be stuck in gridlock every day before coming here. There will eventually be a critical mass where no companies come here anymore. Then, the ones that are here will start moving. That's part of the future I see.
Its already an issue. That's what triggered the sales tax referendums. The relocation people weren't even getting in the door at a lot of places.
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Old 01-25-2019, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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And MARTA's 16% doesn't cover capital costs.

Also, as I said, the toll road can serve 100% of the travelers. HRT isn't going to serve but about 5%.
Unless the toll road replaces I-285, then it will by definition not serve 100% of travelers.
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Old 01-25-2019, 01:35 PM
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Unless the toll road replaces I-285, then it will by definition not serve 100% of travelers.
As I said, it can serve 100% of travelers. And a large % will use it at some time or the other. A tiny % will use an HRT. It just won't go where most of them want to go.
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Old 01-25-2019, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Has anyone developed a conceptual plan as to what this thing would look like?

In order to put these lanes in the existing right-of-way, they'll have to be elevated at a significant height, especially around the 400 junction. It'll truly be a "highway in the sky." I'm sure the view would be pretty awesome from up there, though. That alone might be worth the toll to ride on it, lol.
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Old 01-25-2019, 01:54 PM
 
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And MARTA's 16% doesn't cover capital costs.
The 16% does actually include the capital part of the budget. 16% is the percentage of costs that MARTA users actually pay through fares. $135m in fare collection on $956m of expenditures. $132m of that is capital costs, and almost $280m in various funds. $474.5m is general operating costs. At least from the 2018 budget book.
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Old 01-25-2019, 01:55 PM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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Has anyone developed a conceptual plan as to what this thing would look like?

In order to put these lanes in the existing right-of-way, they'll have to be elevated at a significant height, especially around the 400 junction. It'll truly be a "highway in the sky." I'm sure the view would be pretty awesome from up there, though. That alone might be worth the toll to ride on it, lol.
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