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Old Yesterday, 06:00 PM
 
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Actually your argument without specifics is ridiculous. Its a solution in search of a problem.
Atlanta is internationally renowned in the planning community for its sprawl, poor land use, and pedestrian fatalities caused by vehicular manslaughter. In spite of this, the city’s population is forecast to double if not triple within the next few decades. Providing safer streets that encourage alternative modes of transportation will be essential as hundreds of thousands, yes hundreds of thousands of new residents are added to the city within a handful of miles of downtowns. Yes some people’s commutes are going to get longer. No, turning a blind eye to terrible land use is not the solution. In fact, it is 100% the issue by not having foresight and admitting there are actual issues with our roads throughout the city. To suggest no roads at all in Atlanta need a makeover is plain stupidity.

Don’t know how y’all stomach such misleading trash “information” put out by so many on this board. Most isn’t even factual. I’m going to continue to call out misleading stupidity.
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Old Yesterday, 06:05 PM
 
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Don’t know how y’all stomach such misleading trash “information” put out by so many on this board. Most isn’t even factual. I’m going to continue to call out misleading stupidity.
Hmmm...interesting...
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Old Yesterday, 06:49 PM
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Hmmm...interesting...
He should start with his own.

We have a problem with roads. There are too few. They aren't continuous. They don't have left turn lanes. The old ones tend to wind and create hazards for drivers and pedestrians. And many don't have sidewalks.

We have a problem with planning. One of the problems was insufficient and inadequate roads. Another is a head in the sand approach that thinks you can reduce lanes and improve traffic. Another is the delusion that mass numbers of Atlantans will start riding bikes to work. And another was doing nothing on freeways or mass transit for two decades.

And we do have a problem with suburban style zoning throughout much of the inner city. We need more apartments, patio homes and townhomes. We need commercial that isn't segregated so that you have to go miles to get to it. We need cul de sac neighborhoods to have more than one or two ways to get out of the neighborhood.

There was an article about LA's failure with mass transit. The conclusion of the interviewee was that to increase mass transit, you needed to make driving harder. If your philosophy is to screw 90-95% of the population, your planning will fail as jobs and people will leave. Unfortunately, that seems to be a common theme among planners.
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Old Yesterday, 07:24 PM
 
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There was an article about LA's failure with mass transit. The conclusion of the interviewee was that to increase mass transit, you needed to make driving harder. If your philosophy is to screw 90-95% of the population, your planning will fail as jobs and people will leave. Unfortunately, that seems to be a common theme among planners.
Yeah...if you really boil down most of the arguments here, it's that the way to increase transit usage is just to make it extremely expensive or difficult for people to drive. You'll rarely hear about just making it easier or better to use transit. Faster? More comfortable? More convenient? Nope...just make it so hard to do something else that they'll turn to transit instead.
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Old Yesterday, 07:29 PM
 
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thank y'all so much.
a road diet REQUIRES a FAT Road.
(unless anorexia is the goal)
we have had no fat-roads since 1993.
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Old Yesterday, 07:56 PM
 
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If your philosophy is to screw 90-95% of the population, your planning will fail as jobs and people will leave. Unfortunately, that seems to be a common theme among planners.[/quote]

Amen! Kills me how many planners seem to want to make driving painful and expensive since they can’t seem to make transit better and more convenient.
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Old Yesterday, 08:49 PM
 
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I'm generally a liberal when it comes to politics...especially in Georgia, where our conservatives are hillbillies pointing guns at teenagers in commercials and then getting elected governor.

But when I hear arguments like this road diet and other things discussed in here sometimes, it makes me think....maybe our city WOULD be totally screwed if the liberals took over and these ludicrous ideas got footing. (not that what the conservatives have done has worked, but sounds to me like there is such a thing as making things even worse).
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Old Yesterday, 08:53 PM
 
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I'm generally a liberal when it comes to politics...especially in Georgia, where our conservatives are hillbillies pointing guns at teenagers in commercials and then getting elected governor.

But when I hear arguments like this road diet and other things discussed in here sometimes, it makes me think....maybe our city WOULD be totally screwed if the liberals took over and these ludicrous ideas got footing. (not that what the conservatives have done has worked, but sounds to me like there is such a thing as making things even worse).
You're confusing "liberal" with "harder urbanist". They are not synonyms. I am very liberal. I am not hardcore urbanist. I don't personally know anyone who is, and 95% of my friends are liberals.
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Old Yesterday, 08:57 PM
 
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Fair enough. It can be easy to forget the loudest voices here are often also the most fringe.
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Old Today, 06:16 AM
 
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Fair enough. It can be easy to forget the loudest voices here are often also the most fringe.
There are approximately 90 cities in the world with a population similar or larger than metro Atlanta (greater than 5 million). You won't find a single one that is built with any expectation whatsoever that 90-95% of the residents will drive a car in the center of the city. That my friend, is fringe.
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