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Old 02-21-2019, 10:08 PM
 
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If you want to build an outdoor shopping center, at least take advantage of the fact that you're outside...and incorporate that element into design, like The Falls did in Coral Gables. That's probably why it's been so successful for 4 decades.
That place looks great, and exactly how an outdoor mall should be designed. I also really enjoyed Olde Mystic Village. Obviously, the stores are smaller, but it was such a neat little place.

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Yes, if you're a mall, it's all about reinvention. When you think about it, it shouldn't surprise anyone that a 30 or 40 year old (that's a long time!!!) building is now out of date and needs to be demolished. We've all grown tired of the typical mall from the 70's and 80's (3 dead end branches anchored by Macy's, Sears, & JC Penney. Escalator in each end with an elevator in the middle of a 3 level atrium with a food court in the middle. Food court has a chicken place, 2 chinese, 1 japanese, 1 greek, 1 arby's, 1 subway, 1 Sbarro, 1 auntie annes, etc. 1 "fun" space that has rotated through an arcade, then a glow in the dark mini golf, and now it houses a framing store) In fact, now we're starting to get tired of Gap, Express, Old Navy, The Limited being in our malls etc.....
You forgot to add "and bathrooms only at the very end of each spoke".
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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I've thought a lot about this. Just as Millennials said, "why are we living in the boring suburbs when we can go revitalize the cities that were popular a generation or two ago?" an upcoming generation might say, "why are we walking in the heat, cold and rain to get from store to store? You know, our great grandparents had a much more elegant solution to this."
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That is a good point.

But unfortunately, that possible realization by a future generation of retail consumers likely may not come anywhere near in enough time to save currently struggling bricks-and-mortar retailers like Sears, JcPenney's, etc.
The full circle will be when the next generation that "discover" malls will be the one that demands Amazon have a brick and mortar presence and all the empty Macy's and Penny's will be Amazon showrooms.
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Old 02-24-2019, 02:27 PM
 
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OP, I so agree with you. I do live a mile away from Sugarloaf Mills, but that isn't a regular mall, so I'd be fine driving to MOG on those rare instances where I needed a mall (which hasn't been for a few years---thanks, Amazon!). Don't mind the mall itself so far as malls go (pretty generic stores and restaurants, but what mall is really unique), but it's just an overload to deal with all those other stores and restaurants---both as the horror show of rampant materialism/commercialism (supposedly people are getting rid of personal belongings like never before, thanks to Marie Kondo---thrift stores are setting limits on donations right now---but it's likely that people are quickly replenishing their closets, homes, and storage units with new stuff) and the horror show of traffic coming at you at all directions from all the satellite shopping centers. I find it very confusing. Who can remember which shopping center is which---nothing to distinguish them, other than having different tenants.

Sometimes I worry that it's my age (65) that prevents me from loving malls in general and MOG area specifically, but maybe we all have enough stuff and that which we may occasionally need can be bough readily online. And people watching isn't even what it used to be at malls---who would go to a mall to people watch when they can just scroll through People of Walmart on their cell phones?

Sugarloaf Mills mall now has a branch of Phoenix High School there---good use for empty stores that can't be leased, but I'll bet the students aren't even all that excited about attending school at a mall. Possibly the pseudo-Chinese food at the food court beats regular high school cafeteria food, but that may be the only advantage.
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Old 02-25-2019, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Reading thru threads that really don't really concern me as a local. But interesting and you learn more about cities you merely have visited. ATLANTAS AQUARIUM SHOULD NOT BE SEEN AS A WASTE.... BUT VISIONARY IN PART as a asset if a growing city in stature.

A Aquarium not on a ocean.... is still a asset. Heck, there are much older Aquariums in the middle of the Country. Even NJ's state Aquarium is in Camden along the Delaware river. Just across from Philly. Its basically the farthest from the loooong coast of NJ in that state as you could be .... before entering PA.

Dallas has the Texas Aquarium. It's certainly the farthest large metro in that state .... from the Gulf.

Then there is Chicago's (not a State museum). Along Lake Michigan (still a large body of water), but 1000-miles from the ocean. But by far .... it isn't to showcase the Lake Michigan habitat its on. Shedd Aquarium was the first inland aquarium with a permanent saltwater fish collection and largest in the world for some time and built in 1929 (not with state money as most early great museums were by philanthropist and donors). But builting the Aquarium was the gift of retail leader John G. Shedd, to the city of Chicago. He did not live to cut the ribbon for its opening, but his widow did. It gets over 2-million visitors a year and listed as a National landmark not run or built by the State.

So Atlanta getting a Aquarium away from the coast..... wasn't new or stupid or just a waste. But a Big city that has most of its largest or most popular museums. Cities though that got their best museums, near its core. Would be a preferred location for its vibrancy and tourism. Many Sunbelt cities have great institutions.... but much more scattered in huge metros.

Chicago having 3 of its major museum's in one location in its core next to Soldier Field stadium as a Museum Campus. Is great for easy access to tourist. Staying in a downtown hotel. Gives you access to its top museums and main touristy attractions and Parks to even walk too.

Shedd's setting could not be better and no one says
a inland Aquarium was stupid to conceive of.... even in the 1920s.
Aquarium seen on the right here 1000 miles from the ocean.
I like the aquarium and it’s a great educational tool.

All I meant was it’s kinda unnatural to recreate that ocean environment away from the ocean.

I’m used to North Carolina’s 3 or4 paquariums along the coast.

They don’t spend prescious funds on the exteriors so the buildings could be dismissed as lame.

But when you get inside you are blown away for the content and sheer number of ocean creatures in such small facilities. They don’t compare to GA aquarium but there are plenty of tanks big enough for sharks to live happily and swim around some shipwrecks.
North Carolina Aquariums: Support Our Living Treasures!
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Old 02-26-2019, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Fayetteville, AR
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I grew up a few miles from the mall. Saw it when it was just swamp land to being built to what it is today.

Here's the reality - back in the 90s, it was perfectly fine. Hell, Braselton Highway was a freaking GRAVEL road.

The area just exploded in population. They redid the on-ramp/off ramps to the cloverleaf design, but that still creates a problem for people exiting towards Buford off of I85N and dealing with SR20 westbound traffic, with a red light being right there.

The mall is likely going to be stable for a good time to come, especially as there have been proposals of building a mixed-use on the back side of it.
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Old 02-26-2019, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Duluth, GA
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The area just exploded in population. They redid the on-ramp/off ramps to the cloverleaf design, but that still creates a problem for people exiting towards Buford off of I85N and dealing with SR20 westbound traffic, with a red light being right there.
And that's where a lot of the malls customers are coming from; further out in northeast Georgia. To people out there, MoG is the shopping destination, unmatched by anything in either Gainesville or Athens. And, nearly all of them come down along I-85. I've said many times that building the exit at SR324 would be an enormous relief to traffic on SR20.

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The mall is likely going to be stable for a good time to come, especially as there have been proposals of building a mixed-use on the back side of it.
That development has been on the drawing boards for at least 5 years now [probably longer, I think]. Those proposals, though, keep getting scaled back, as time goes on.
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Old 02-28-2019, 05:13 PM
 
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That is a really good point that clothing has an advantage in retail that many other goods do not have.

That is also a really good point that some locations will (or may) remain viable as long as there is demand for clothing that fits.

It is just not a certainty that a retailer like JcPenney (whom appears to be increasingly cash-strapped after years and years of poor management) will continue to remain viable for an extended period of time.



"J.C. Penney deciding to stop selling appliances signals why it's dying" (Yahoo Finance, 7 Feb 2019)

Meanwhile, Macy's is nowhere near as in bad of a shape as JcPenney's or Sears (which is pretty much the walking dead at this point in time).

But Macy's is still experiencing some significant struggles in the highly challenging retail environment of circa-2019 as a retailer built for a much different time before online shopping and the changing spending habits of a generation like the Millennials (whom generally seem to prefer investing in life experiences over purely material purchases).

"Why Macy's Is Closing More Stores in 2019
The largest U.S. department store chain still has too much overlap among its locations.
" (The Motley Fool, 15 Jan 2019)

With a seemingly more stable customer base, I think that the Macy's location at the Mall of Georgia is likely (but by no means guaranteed) to stay in place for the foreseeable future, while the Macy's location down the road at the struggling Gwinnett Place Mall is significantly more likely to be in serious jeopardy of closing in the not-too-distant future.

Meanwhile, with JcPenney's being in a significantly worse financial position than Macy's, there could be some concern about how long the JcPenney's location at the Mall of Georgia will continue to operate.
More concern about national department store retailer JcPenney which has a location at the Mall of Georgia...

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J.C. Penney is closing more stores following weak holiday sales season for the retailer.
Net income tumbled nearly 70 percent, and a key measure for health dropped 4 percent in the fourth-quarter, the most crucial period of the year for retailers who bank on strong holiday sales.
J.C. Penney closing more stores after weak holiday season (Associated Press/MSN, Thursday 28 February 2019)
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Old 02-28-2019, 05:15 PM
 
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More concern about national department store retailer JcPenney which has a location at the Mall of Georgia...



J.C. Penney closing more stores after weak holiday season (Associated Press/MSN, Thursday 28 February 2019)
Several of Metro Atlanta stores may be in the cross hairs, not just that one.
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Old 02-28-2019, 05:31 PM
 
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Several of Metro Atlanta stores may be in the cross hairs, not just that one.
The store's Mall of Georgia location arguably may be as good as it gets in the state of Georgia for a struggling retailer like JcPenney right now.
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Old 03-01-2019, 05:14 AM
 
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Major Malls are dying all across America. Mall of Georgia will eventually become mixed use, but never return to rural or ag.

The Pleasant Hill Gwinnett Place Mall area is a crime ridden ugly mess. Gangs are fighting for turf, and I wouldnt go near there if you paid me.

I dont see that happening to M.O.G. or surrounds for 50+ years, but I'll never say never.
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